430 am, Luxor, pretty deep table since most people are playing their tickets for the draw. Many deep stacks at the table.

Hero ($300) sat down folded a few orbits. Hasn't played a hand nor opened at all.
V1 direct right of Hero, Australian, Tourist, $250 Behind. VpIp probably 35/20.

Hero Dealt KK SB

UTG +1 raises $20 ($150 behind), UTG +3 calls $20, V Cutoff Reraises $90.

Hero 4bets, $190.

V Shoves all in.

(V notes: Australian, open around 4 pots, limped a few. Seemed like a typical average 1/2 player. On Vacation)

I'm guessing, AA very likely, AK possible, KK Unlikely, QQ possible. JJ or below no.

What do you all have??

It no longer really matters what villain has. Even if he shows you aces before you decide, you could still call and not be -ev.

If he has more combinations than AA then your equity improves and you need to call. You should never think about folding KK preflop when you have 65% of your stack already in!!

With 76% of effective stacks in the middle and getting 8-1 you can call with any two cards.

What's the least amount I need to still call in this spot..5-1?

1. so u have $300, one guy has $170, the australian has $250... where the "many deep stacks" at? a deep stack is 300, 400, 500 bb deep, not at 125 bb.

2. when u r not deep, like in this spot, unless u have a 100% read that u are up against AA, it is always best to just get it in pre with KK. if u run into AA so be it, because u will run into QQ, JJ, AK, or some spazz way more often.

3. at this point u've already got 63% of ur stack in. this fact alone pretty much makes it an automatic call even with weaker hands. KK is a no brainer.

4. u r getting 4.8 to 1. hence even if he shows u AA u can make a profitable call because u are only a 4 to 1 underdog.

5. u shouldn't be playing poker thinking "OMG i haz cowboys i shall raise." u should've 4 bet with a plan already in mind. u don't play good poker by just doing something in the moment and then thinking what ur gonna do next when it gets back to u.

Your opponent only has $160 left after their raise. Once you chose to raise, I think you should have made it $250(which would have put your opponent all-in) and not raised to $190(which left your opponent $60). Can you expand on why you chose your sizing? Regardless, you're now faced with calling $60 into a pot of like $480, you should call with your KK.

This is 4:30am in Las Vegas, if your opponent doesn't seem to be taking the game too seriously, you could see a whole bunch of funky stuff once the cards are flipped.

You are about a 4:1 underdog if he has aces. so the pot has to be offering you about 4:1 on your call for it to be neutral ev, but he will not always have aces, so you can call with worse odds.

Exactly right. Shoving is the best idea.

If Villain has QQ+, AK you can call with any 2 cards getting 4-1.

If Villain has QQ+, AK and you have 22 you can call getting 1-1.

If Villain has AA and you have 72 off suit you can call getting 6-1.

my mistake, i just reread it and ur actually getting 8 to 1. this shouldn't even be a thread. u can call ATC profitably with those odds.

Are you saying that the 4-1, 1-1 and 6-1 is your equity, ie 20% , 50% and 15% respectively?


How can you say that with any 2 cards, we can call against QQ+ AK getting 4-1???

22 against QQ+ and AK is 2-1 dog unless your pair is suited of course.😜


Seriously guys, once we 4 bet to 190 pre or even call the 90 villain with a starting stack of 250 there is no reason whatsoever to think about pot odds. We should have planned to stack off before the flop unless we are up against OMC, who doesn't 3 bet to 90 with QQ and AK, only then maybe we can find a fold to his 3 bet.

If the Aussie villain is from Sydney and a regular from Star City Casino, then your equity will have increased to at least 70%!!

There seems to be a lot of bizarre posts in relation to this hand.

You put in 63% of your stack you can't fold.

And you used 'nor' incorrectly

Obvious fold. He has AA. Save your $60.

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Shove/call. As others have pointed out, you're already committed.

obviously you're never folding, but in future situations, listen to your own visual read on players, he's a Joe average 1/2 funzies player, drunk and tired at 4.30am, he has 99-QQ, or AK. If its Aces so be it.

call. you need 4.5:1 to breakeven against AA

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Game doesn't sound very deep to me. Not super shallow, but not *deep*.

Some LLSNL players won't 3-bet here without KK+. Others will do it with small PP, and AJ+. Hard to say without more info. For an unknown that's been somewhat active (35/20) I have to leave AK in his range as well as a few of the other worse hands.

With the stack sizes I'd rather shove myself here since it's only $60 more than you bet.

At this point facing $60 into $400+ it doesn't really matter what he has. He can *SHOW* me his AA and I'm still calling it off here on my 20% hand.

Sorry. What I meant to say is other players at this table were deep. A few $1K stacks, and a few $750 plus. Only a few players had less than $300.

Ended up V1 thought I went all in and flipped his cards over first tabling AA.

So i ended up calling the extra $60 knowing I was well behind.

Calling and feelin fine.