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12-09-2013 , 04:10 AM
HERO: $200 20 year old white male, losing image, card dead, lost 1 buy in over 2 hours, (made the nut flush on the river against a backdoor full house).

V1: $300 50 year old Asian. Most loose player at the table, will 3bet light, willing to get his stack in with top pair (finds it hilarious when players don't call his semi bluffs), plenty of gamble.

V2: $200 Same as above, the wife of V2, plays any broadway preflop for around 15bb, any suited connectors, PP, Ax.

V3: $200 40 year old Asian, loose aggressive. He likes to see flops with a huge range of cards but he's one of the better players of a bad bunch, doesn't overvalue his hand like everyone else.

HERO is MP1 with J 10

Hero raises to $10
V1 is MP2 calls
V2 is MP3 calls
Co calls
V3 is BN calls

FLOP is $50 3 8 7

HERO checks
V1 bets $30
V2 calls
CO folds
V3 jams for $180

HERO??

Hero feels V3 stole his thunder and is likely shoving with a set, 2 pair, or any Broadway with two hearts, or and Ax of hearts.
If V3 folded in this spot, hero was also going to shove his stack down V1's throat, knowing V1 would call and maybe V2 with and pair and decent kicker. V1 had been raising me all night knowing I wouldn't play for stacks with him.
I stoved it and with the wide range of hands any 3 of them could have, I definitely think I am behind here.

J10 is 14.8%

TT-77,33,A10s-A2s,KTs+,K8s-K7s,K3s,QTs+,JTs,T9s,87s,65s,JTo,T9o,87o,65o is 28% x 3
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12-09-2013 , 05:32 AM
I am stacking off here, 12 pretty solid outs.

Any reason for not betting flop as the pfr?
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12-09-2013 , 11:52 AM
I fold in this spot because V3 obviously has a hand that beats you and your hearts might not be good against V1 or V2 (or V3 for that matter).

I would have led flop, but I understand you were probably going for a check-raise against V1 or V2. Now that V3 has shoved, I don't like it.
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12-09-2013 , 12:05 PM
8 pre, bet flop, as played stick it in obv
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12-09-2013 , 12:27 PM
Ya with such a monster I think I just C bet 35-40 And call it off. As played I say fold as you or in rough shape Vs any higher flush draw. Being stuck sucks but calling this off now seems bad. The range that you did should answer why calling the shove is bad.
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12-09-2013 , 12:47 PM
BTW, thinking about it, your hearts might be good, but I think the call from V1 and V2 indicates at least one of them has a decent heart, and V3 could be on hearts or have a big one, too, so even if they are good, a few of your outs are probably gone. Also, we know we are behind V3, and I don't like getting my money in behind, especially when I might not have the outs I think I have and they might not be good.

I definitely fold here.
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12-09-2013 , 01:07 PM
cant fold here guys
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12-09-2013 , 02:22 PM
Quote:
Hero feels V3 stole his thunder and is likely shoving with a set, 2 pair, or any Broadway with two hearts, or and Ax of hearts.
If this range is close to correct, I'm not sure how we can call. Our outs have dwindled and we still have two who can call behind us.
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