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04-22-2010 , 02:06 PM
Effective stacks: just under 200.

Villain is an Asian woman who was probably the most competent player at the table. In one hand she showed a well executed bluff. In another hand (that hero forgot about when the following hand occurred), she check raised the flop with AKs on a flop with 2 suits, no A or K). Anyway, she knew what she was doing.

Hero sat down at the table about 30 minutes before and didn't do anything crazy, except for pounding jack and diets. He didn't show a hand yet to the table (lost a couple of hands and won only one pot)

Hero is MP1, raises to 12 with KK.

It is folded around to button who calls. Blinds fold.

Flop ($27) - 4h 5d 6h

Hero bets 20, villain raises to 60 total. Hero thinks 10 seconds and moves all-in, insta-called by villain.

Would appreciate comments on the flop action (pre-flop seems relatively standard)
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04-22-2010 , 02:21 PM
Looks good to me... maybe fading some cards..maybe... but I'd play it the same. She could have 22-AA there, sets of course, combo draws, TPTK, straights. You are going to be ahead enough of the time. Rebuy.

Oh and good bet sizing... I make it a PSB on the flop, but you're close enough.
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04-22-2010 , 03:09 PM
yea maybe bet a little more OTF, but nh wp
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04-22-2010 , 03:30 PM
Looks standard to me.

If I could replay the hand, I wouldn't have had the jack and diets
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04-22-2010 , 03:33 PM
I know I sound like a broken record but u should raise bigger PF. If somebody wants to set mine against u, make them pay. U have a great hand but it's a dangerous hand w/a lot of reverse implied odds. By raising to 6bb and getting 1 caller u set up a SPR of ~7-8 which is OK but if u add 2bb to that number it's ~5.5. Go to $17, $18, $20... they'll call! If they fold, they didn't have anything anyway but at these levels, u'll get called by any PP, SC, broadway cards, etc.

Hope u had the Kh, guess the stack off is OK
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04-22-2010 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough
Hope u had the Kh, guess the stack off is OK
I had the same thought about the K, haha.
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04-22-2010 , 03:44 PM
Thanks for the advice. I should have raised more preflop, you're right. haven't played live poker for a while - I failed to adapt to the live poker standards in other ways too, but that's another story.

I didn't have the Kh.

Long story short, she had 4-6 and had me in terrible shape, but I spiked a K on the river - she was not impressed.
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04-22-2010 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Audio
Long story short, she had 4-6 and had me in terrible shape, but I spiked a K on the river - she was not impressed.
I happy endings
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04-22-2010 , 04:37 PM
I know I have seen the end now, but I really question stacking off here...I guess I would have that uneasy feeling in my stomach as I did it, but would have to feel that I was rarely ever gonna be good. In my experience other competent players dont stack off too lightly
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04-22-2010 , 04:51 PM
Im going against KUD here; raise pf is more than fine. That is the sweet spot for KK. Perfect raise IMO, you want action and value. If they are calling bigger raises then maybe, but if this is all they are calling then WP. And her flopping 2p and getting the money is the best 'made hand' you can ask for. I wouldn't mind it at all especially when I counterfitted her and then said, "ooops, guess KK is good now."
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04-22-2010 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Audio
Long story short, she had 4-6 and had me in terrible shape, but I spiked a K on the river - she was not impressed.
lol best part of this thread
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04-22-2010 , 05:24 PM
Against a good player in a pot with a SPR of ~7, when all the money goes in, ur usually behind. Now against a poor, loose player, this SPR is likely ideal.

Plus in regular situations it's a lot easier to get all the money in with a lower SPR (obviously.)
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04-22-2010 , 06:02 PM
One day I am going to learn the SPR'z... and not so I can use it at the table, but to understand what you guys are talking about.

Did I ever mention I hate math? (like the more than I need to know math anyways...)
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04-22-2010 , 06:03 PM
Given stack sizes (apparently 95xBB) this seems fine, although often your flop shove will simply win you the current pot, as worse hands rarely call your 3-bet. You can't be thrilled when she snap calls, as you're almost always losing or fading some form of combo draw.
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04-22-2010 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Audio
Thanks for the advice. I should have raised more preflop, you're right. haven't played live poker for a while - I failed to adapt to the live poker standards in other ways too, but that's another story.

I didn't have the Kh.

Long story short, she had 4-6 and had me in terrible shape, but I spiked a K on the river - she was not impressed.
You're actually not in terrible shape - you have a K to win, a 5 to take the lead via counterfeit, and the turn/river duplicating to also counterfeit to take the lead. Also, any 2, 3, 7, or 8 on the turn will give you outs to a straight chop. I think you're roughly 29% to win here and another 2% to chop
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04-24-2010 , 04:55 PM
is it bad to flat here? and how is an open to 12 a small raise? i thought 6x was pretty standard for live.
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04-24-2010 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by cashgamepoker500
is it bad to flat here? and how is an open to 12 a small raise? i thought 6x was pretty standard for live.
It really varies from location to location, but I see more PFRs in the 10BB+ range than I see in the 3BB-6BB range in the Western US area.
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04-25-2010 , 08:00 AM
Meh she is going to have so many semi-bluffs here that i think you can shove profitably,
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04-26-2010 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Percula
It really varies from location to location, but I see more PFRs in the 10BB+ range than I see in the 3BB-6BB range in the Western US area.
I play mostly in Tunica and Wheeling Island (WV), and I would agree. 6BB would be the low end at the 1/2 tables I play at, with the exception being the rare 3.5 or 4 BB PFR.
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04-26-2010 , 04:30 PM
It varies from locale to locale, limit to limit, and even from table to table within the limits you're playing.

Playing last Friday evening at HG 100nl 2/3 I open 15 and maybe get 1-2 callers less than 50% of the time. c-bet takes it down 100%. I pfr 20 with limpers in front and get zero action every time. Table change and open 20 gets 1-2 callers 100% of the time.

Live, the first thing I do when I sit down is watch the pf action and adjust accordingly.
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