I am new here but have been playing poker for a little while. Just joined to get some feedback and improve my game. Anyways, on to the hand!
Full Ring Live 1/2
The CO sat down about 30 min ago and seems fairly LAG.
I'm on the button with QQ
Guy in seat #4 limps and the CO raises to 7. I repop it to 21.
Everyone folds, CO calls. Pot=47. He has about 150 behind, I have about 250.
Flop: 8K2
He checks, I bet 25. He calls. Pot=97.
Turn: Q
He bets 60 into me. I think for a little and raise him all-in. He folds and shows the K.
Should I have just smooth called the turn bet and hoped another club didn't come on the river or was this the right play?

Thanks

Sounds like a good spot for just a smoothcall, you're ahead 99% of the time with very little chance for the guy to catch up. No flush or straigtdraws on the board either. I would've called and hoped he put in another bet on the river.

Nah, raising there is correct. If a club comes and he doesn't have the flush he's even more likely to fold. Or an ace could peel off, or the case queen, hell a deuce could come on the river and he can get scared that you have trips. I know it sounds crazy but it's even pretty ridiculous he bet/folded the turn: if he's folding for 65 into 270 on the turn, he's not putting another dollar into the pot no matter what.

Also you might want to start exploiting that.

GRUNCH

I honestly don't think it matters in this case. If I read it correctly he put almost half his stack in on the turn bet. If he folded to what was almost a min raise he was most likely just on a pure bluff. Also not many river cards are going to come that will make him call all-in with worse then A set of Qs. Typically speaking you should almost always be aggressive with this turn as there are multiple draws.

I don't think there was any money to be made here.

I like your play and think the all in was justified, better try and get value now before a third club comes and has villain grinding to a halt.

Thanks for the reply. That's exactly what made me think that I could have possibly extracted more value out of the hand with just a smooth call, the bet into the raiser and then the fold. He could have put me on A-Q or a weaker K with just the call and bet into me on the river even if a club didn't hit(even though that is fairly unlikely.) Thanks for the insight though, I appreciate it. He busted out like 30 min later though so I really hope to see him again so I can start the exploitation process.

Yeah this is a definite raise. The pot is ~$215 after his and your 60s go in. He has $65 left. He's calling here with a flush draw every time. And if you decide to just call and a club hits the river, are you really folding for $65 into a $270 pot? Nope. That means if he's going to hit his flush, you're going to lose the max no matter what. On the other hand, if he has a flush draw and the club doesn't come, well you just saved him $65 by not raising the turn.

Now what about any of the other hands he could have. If you just call the turn and a club hits the river, it's possible it could scare him away from putting money in that he would have put in on the turn. And if he has any hand that he's going to be willing to put his money in on the river with, he's definitely going to be willing to put it in on the turn too.

So if he's going to flip a hand that beats you at showdown you're always losing the max; you're never folding the river. But if you call the turn and let him see a river without getting his money in now you can potentially lose a lot of value from hands that would have called you on the turn.

Without stack sizes, analysis is meaningless.

Edit: nevermind I found it.

Raise turn for sure. No probs there.


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Sorry about that sir. Just read it and will abide from now on.

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I might of raised a tad bit bigger PF, like 25. But I like the turn raise. If the board was less coordinated I wouldn't think that a flat call OTT and hope he leads the river wouldn't be horrible, but only because we have position and close the betting action OTR so we can make sure the money goes in either way. But this board, as he played the hand, I raise here always pretty much.

Why would you put in a bigger raise pre? To make him think I'm 3 betting light and trying for a steal? Or because queens can be susceptible to hands that would call a 3 bet and have over cards hit the flop and I don't improve?

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