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1-2 live. Donked on the turn on dry board into my AQ..I ? 1-2 live. Donked on the turn on dry board into my AQ..I ?

11-09-2014 , 01:42 AM
Hero: 220 in mp.
V: barely covers in ep.

Reads: V is loose pre but shrinks against aggression.
He had raised to 7 three times and all times folded to aggression pre or post flop.

Preflop: 1 limp. v raises to 7. Hero raises to 25 with AQo. Standard, right? V calls 30.

Flop: ($55). 2 3 6 rainbow. V checks and hero cbets 30. So far pretty standard, right? V calls.

Turn: ($115). 2 3 6 Q. Yahtzee !? V donks $30 . hero calls. Time for a shove perhaps? No one ever folds here, right ?

River: ($175). 2 3 6 q T. V shoves 135 and hero calls all in. Thoughts on my play?

Thanks !
Bucket head

Last edited by Buckethead22; 11-09-2014 at 01:47 AM. Reason: Grammar
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11-09-2014 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Buckethead22
Hero: 220 in mp.
V: barely covers in ep.

Reads: V is loose pre but shrinks against aggression.
He had raised to 7 three times and all times folded to aggression pre or post flop.

Preflop: 1 limp. v raises to 7. Hero raises to 25 with AQo. Standard, right? V calls.
In 1/2 live, it isn't really standard to bloat the pot with AQo since you can juice it when you flop gin anyways. But this 3bet might be ok since your read is he folded a lot to 3b and rarely defend with medium holding.

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Originally Posted by Buckethead22
Hero: 220 in mp.
Flop: ($55). 2 3 6 rainbow. V checks and hero cbets 30. So far standard?
Not really sure what you are repping here. QQ, KK, AA? Just check behind, villain doesn't have anything in his range that called 3b and fold to this board. Do you think villain will fold AK here?

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Originally Posted by Buckethead22
Hero: 220 in mp.
Turn: ($115). 2 3 6 Q. Yahtzee !? V donks $30 hero calls. Time for a shove? No one ever folds here, right ?
Donk bet from villain is read dependent. In my experience though, they aren't doing that to bluff you. His value range is 2p+. To be honest, I would call because you are getting decent price and evaluate the river. If he shows aggression again, I would fold AQ without a second thought.

Also note, shoving here is pretty bad. What hand is he going to call you with that you beat? JJ? Qx? You will fold out all the hands that you beat and get call by hand that crush you. See way ahead way behind.

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Originally Posted by Buckethead22
Hero: 220 in mp.
River: ($175). 2 3 6 q T. V shoves 135 and hero calls all in. Thoughts on my play?
Easy fold here. 1/2 villain aren't calling your 3b, floating the flop, donk turn, to try to all-in bluff you on the river.

Last edited by yuth55; 11-09-2014 at 02:07 AM.
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11-09-2014 , 02:19 AM
Everything seems fine.

River is kind of close. Do you think you're good here more then 30% of the time? I tend to doubt it so I'm laying it down. But not too happy about it.
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11-09-2014 , 02:42 AM
I like your line and im for cbet this board as V can only really continue with over pairs if we are confident his 3bet calling range isnt wide.

I fold this river. As has been already mentioned; our V isnt going to take this line with anything that we beat when he shoves river.

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11-10-2014 , 09:47 AM
You line is standard. I wouldn't always c-bet here but most of the time.

When villain donks into you, this really depends on what you know about villain's range. There are some that can always beat top pair when they donk and some that are trying to find out of their KQ is good or not. River is a matter of reading villain, but I would lean fold. Villain's preflop bet looks like a pot juicer with a small pair, and his play suggests he hit his set.
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11-10-2014 , 11:46 AM
I don't think you can ever fold TPTK for that price on that board without a really strong read. I think river is a fold though. Villain is going to show up with 54, sets, 2 pair hands too often for us to be good.

Everything else is played perfectly.
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11-10-2014 , 11:57 AM
I'm actually going the other way on this one. I will note, this line is standard in most cases, but not here.

The reason being V, and your description.

You describe him as a potbuilder pre type who folds to aggression.

In this hand we have 3b him pre, and cbet into him. He has called both streets, alarm bells should be going off.

Even though his turn betsizing is lolsmall, he essentially did a "same bet." While offering us amazing odds, I don't feel our TPTK is good here.

Given his donk, which contradicts his previous play, OTT after he donks I'm also now thinking if I'm calling a shove OTR which I would expect him to do in this case. If you are going to call, I would just ship it now.

As described and as played, this feels more like a scared baby set than anything else.
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11-10-2014 , 01:25 PM
It would be interesting on what the V image of you is in this spot.

As post above, I am 'wondering' why someone who folds to aggression picks this hand to stay in for a decent 3-bet. Has this been the size that he has been folding to previously? I am not so sure I even c-bet this Flop, although 'standard', against this opponent since I figure I am behind anyway.

The donk bet is probably trying to get you to raise and/or also to prevent you from checking this through for free. At this point I squarely put him on KK ... can't imagine that someone who folds out has a set on this board, but it's basically the same hand with reduced outs on our side. He didn't 4-bet you PF with KK so you didnt Flop the Ace, perhaps?

I hope I'm not calling this River very often as AQ is the very bottom of his range IMO. Only if he puts you on AK does he do this the with JJ/TT. Sure the chips counts are fairly small, but are you ever going to get them back from him? Probably not, and that does go into my decision making in these types of spots. GL
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11-10-2014 , 10:09 PM
I would cBet smaller if I'm going to cBet.
Nothing in his range is folding to a bigger bet.]

If we have deeper stacks, and wanted to leverage our stack by the river to put him into a tough spot having to call with 1 pair for a huge bet then a bigger bet can be fine, and we might even want to bet bigger. But since we don't, the extra sizing doesn't really get him to fold anything extra. He still folds all whiffs for $25, all AK. And he calls nothing for $25 that he doesn't call for $30 imo.

Turn is likely a fold. He doesn't expect you to fold and he wants to make sure that his stack gets in the middle. Lets disapoint him.
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11-10-2014 , 11:20 PM
3b'ing pre is silly. You shouldn't 3b AQo IP against someone who is "loose pre" unless it's for value, so doing it BECAUSE he folds to any aggression is a waste of both a good hand in good position and a perfectly good 3b'ing bullet. Do this with A5o and 96s and crap.

As played, check back flop.

As played, I'm fine with just flatting the turn bet.

As played, I'm not sure. I think this will be sets a lot, but it's absurd to put him on 13 combos (9 of which are slightly discounted by preflop) when he takes such an awkward line. Clearly the turn wasn't a blocking bet if he was just planning to get his stack in anyway, unless his TT binked. This is a demented way to play KQ, and I don't really know why he'd bluff us when we have every right to QQ+ and it's neeeeeeever folding.

Usually, a weird line like this is going to be the nuts. Your range is the very opposite of capped, and he's not seeming to make any attempt whatsoever to rep anything. All that being said, I don't know how often I fold this in-game, if just out of curiosity as much as anything else.
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