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04-28-2010 , 06:35 PM
So been a pretty quiet/tight table and effective stacks are 200 between hero and villain. Villain is in the BB. Hero is button.

one person limps to the button/Hero who makes is $10. SB folds, BB calls and limper folds.

Flop is 10 8 3 rainbow. Pot is about $20 since rake is taken out. BB checks, Hero bets 20, BB calls.

Turn is J. BB checks, Hero? There is no Diamond flush draw.
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04-28-2010 , 07:32 PM
I barrel again. and I don't bet so much on the flop.

I'd bet like 14-16 OTF, on the turn I'd bet/fold 32 on the turn, and if he flats again, and the river bricks off and he checks I may gaybet like 35 OTR. Even though your line is transparent, i still think he calls with k10, q10, etc.

I wouldn't be too afraid of the turn though. He peels the flop with sooooooo many hands, the J isn't in his range very often. I think his range OTF could be, AK, AQ, KQ, AJ, KJ, K10, Q10, J10, 109, 107, 99, 89, 87, 77, maybe even 66. Of those hands, we beat so much more than what he could have OTT.

I definitely bet 14-16 OTF and and bf 33 OTT. If he flats again, i may make a smallish river bet if the river bricks off. If he leads the river, I fold.
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04-28-2010 , 10:04 PM
Completely agree with luckbox. I'd bet here again. I almost expect to get floated on most flops nowadays, and you probably have the best hand.

River play is card and player dependent
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04-28-2010 , 10:10 PM
If BB is your typical live 1/2 loose-passive player, I agree, bet/fold turn for ~$40.
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04-28-2010 , 10:19 PM
must be an echo in here...

...smaller flop, as played b/f turn
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04-28-2010 , 11:56 PM
Agree with b/f turn. I think the bet-sizing is really dependent on the villain. I would normally 14 -16 against unknowns and most players. But if the BB is a fish calling-station, I think 20 -22 is perfect for value.
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04-29-2010 , 05:23 AM
The title is wrong the pot is raised - you raised it.

I agree with what everyone else has said.

$15 flop bet
Bet/fold turn for like $30
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04-29-2010 , 09:29 AM
OK, So here is the continuation of the hand. Other than a little larger bet than most liked on the flop I agreed so....

Flop is 10 8 3 rainbow. Pot is about $20 since rake is taken out. BB checks, Hero bets 20, BB calls.

Turn is J. Pot is ~60. BB checks, Hero bets 30, BB calls

River is Q no flush. Pot is ~120. BB checks, Hero checks

Villain shows J 9 offsuit for straight.

I dont hate the turn bet and even if it is larger in this spot I still feel he calls. I do question myself sometimes though if betting when you have 2nd pair in games where fat value is what you are going for is gonna be profitable if you get a call. It is almost like I am just hoping to take down the pot with the bet. Any other thoughts about that idea?
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04-29-2010 , 09:42 AM
The board just got ugly on you. Tough luck be thankful that he didnt raise you on OTT or bet small on the river (even though it would be an easy fold). Checking river is super standard IMO, nothing calls you that you can beat and only getting raised/called by better.
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04-29-2010 , 12:05 PM
If it makes you feel better, he way over-paid on the flop. Here's some Sklansky bucks...
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04-29-2010 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bulls_horn
If it makes you feel better, he way over-paid on the flop. Here's some Sklansky bucks...
I tried to list Sklansky bucks on my mortgage application. Turns out they really didn't count as an asset.
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04-29-2010 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by OMG its LUCKBOX
I barrel again. and I don't bet so much on the flop.

I'd bet like 14-16 OTF, on the turn I'd bet/fold 32 on the turn, and if he flats again, and the river bricks off and he checks I may gaybet like 35 OTR. Even though your line is transparent, i still think he calls with k10, q10, etc.

I wouldn't be too afraid of the turn though. He peels the flop with sooooooo many hands, the J isn't in his range very often. I think his range OTF could be, AK, AQ, KQ, AJ, KJ, K10, Q10, J10, 109, 107, 99, 89, 87, 77, maybe even 66. Of those hands, we beat so much more than what he could have OTT.

I definitely bet 14-16 OTF and and bf 33 OTT. If he flats again, i may make a smallish river bet if the river bricks off. If he leads the river, I fold.
I think this analyisis is spot on, i dont really have anything more to add
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04-29-2010 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bulls_horn
If it makes you feel better, he way over-paid on the flop. Here's some Sklansky bucks...
Thank you...I just put those inside my mind
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04-29-2010 , 05:08 PM
You played it fine. If anything I would have bet 35-40$ on the turn
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04-29-2010 , 05:20 PM
I think you played the hand pretty well. Just depends on who the player is. If fish I would 100% bet turn. If solid player I might check behind.
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04-29-2010 , 05:28 PM
How did villain lose sklansky bucks on this hand? He's got 11 outs twice, making him roughly 46% to win. He ended up winning a $120 pot off his $20 call on the flop.

You played the hand fine, villain's call on the flop was okay too (i would have c/red with j9, but meh). Just got a little unlucky is all.
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