1/2 line check / facing flop shove
Join Date: Jun 2012
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New table 2 orbits in, all seem to be passive/fishy, lot of limp folds, not a lot of info yet. nobody has pressed aggression.
Villain ($180)is UTG has not shown down a hand but has pulled a couple small pots on small post flop raises.
Villain is UTG raise to $7 (typical PFR is 7-12)
Hero(220) is MP, 2 to the left with KK, raises to $21. thoughts???
Folds to Villain, beeks a couple times before calling.
Flop: A37r
Villain beeks for a moment checks,
Hero Bets $30, thoughts ???
Villian tanks for several minutes acts very uncofortable before shoveing!
Hero?
Join Date: Aug 2010
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I probably check back this kind of flop against a UTG raise/call 3 bet. We get all the hands we beat to fold (QQ,JJ,TT,KQs?) and only get called by better. Easy fold to the shove imo.
Join Date: Feb 2013
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Not sure what a beek is ...
He is shoving $130ish over the top of $100ish. Somewhat polarizing, but not that crazy. If the being uncomfortable wasn't an act (very possible) then he probably was just contemplating his kicker. I would find it very unlikely that he is bluff shoving into an unknown player unless he got some sort of read off of your face/actions on the Flop.
You have to be ready to muck the KK in these spots. It certainly is possible he could have QQ/JJ here but I think in most cases you are beat. He 'has' to know you have a poket pair here and put on a nice show for you.
Did he take down small pots with 'bets' or 'raises' earlier? If raises, then the table knows his MO and gets out of the way. With this kind of player UTG, he very well could've had AA since he knew he'd be HU with you. GL
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Preflop 3bet sizing looks good.
On the flop, I would bet here too unless I could trust villain's potential turn bet if I checked behind. However I think you bet slightly too much. Counting the blinds, there's $45 in the pot. Minus the rake, we are basically down to a $40 pot. On an A73r board, betting half pot ($20) should accomplish the same thing as a $30 bet. So just bet $20 instead.
As played gotta fold to the shove.
Join Date: Jul 2006
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I might 3bet just a bit more, but whatever. Anything that sets up an easy SPR of <= 4 where we can comfortably stack off to by the turn is fine with me.
I would check behind on the flop. No better hand is folding. No worse hand is calling multiple streets. The board is very drawless. This is a standard WA/WB situation. Due to our show of weakness and this guy looking like he might be a little aggro (he's raised the flop a few times already) we'll probably have to call a turn bet and then soul read on the river.
As played, easy fold at this point. If he's bluffing, good for him.
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Join Date: Dec 2011
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I would 3bet to $32 pre and obv stacking off any non-A flop. Unless V is capable of leveling himself into calling you all the way down with TT-QQ, betting flop makes no sense since he's never folding an ace with these stack sizes. As played I would fold, you beat exactly nothing that would check/shove and there are no realistic draws out there. V's hollywooding seals the fold for me....there is no hand he could have that would take "minutes" to decide whether to get it in or not on this flop.
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Originally Posted by wj94
I would 3bet to $32 pre and obv stacking off any non-A flop. Unless V is capable of leveling himself into calling you all the way down with TT-QQ, betting flop makes no sense since he's never folding an ace with these stack sizes. As played I would fold, you beat exactly nothing that would check/shove and there are no realistic draws out there. V's hollywooding seals the fold for me....there is no hand he could have that would take "minutes" to decide whether to get it in or not on this flop.
Very good advice here.
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Thanks for the input.
I folded, Villain says i put you on a pp, not aces and showed TT.
Thought maybe i had a leak, but feel he just played very well.
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If you had played it differently you could have got some value out if him. He only played it well because you didn't have the ace you were repping...otherwise his play is just spew. Do you ever 3bet anything other than QQ+? If not its easier to assume you have QQ/KK and will fold to further aggression.
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Yeah i get that and i definitely balance my 3bet range. Just thought he played it well with little info. Then again there are so many dolts spewing off with very little. Many different scenarios that could have benefitted me. Check back, bigger 3bet, flat pre with 5 callers, ect... just picking brains for info.
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Check the flop...
As played beek fold, whatever beek means obv
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has anyone else noticed a general correlation between the amount of time a villain takes and how often they are bluffing?
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grunch:fold
without a very extreme read, no need to hero call this much. his uncomfortableness could be sincere and just be a weak A and he's worried about a better A.
