Playing at this table for about an hour. Running a little bad but get to this hand. UTG is TAG. Saw him play a hand with AK raise from EP and bet bet bet 80% pot all streets on a A high flop. Other Villain is in the BB. He's a spew monkey and station. I've seen him 3 bet from the blinds with KQ offsuit. Pretty clear he doesn't understand board textures or anything like that.

I am OTB with 9d7d. It is limped around to me ($320) and I raise to $13. BB (LAG $550) calls and UTG (TAG $650) calls.

Flop ($41): 9h8c6c

UTG leads out for the pot with a $40 bet. I call quickly and BB does as well.

Turn ($161): 10s

UTG bets $100. I take about 30 seconds to make sure I'm only losing here to QJcc and figured neither of them had that. I shove for my remaining $260 or so. BB calls almost instantly and to my surprise UTG calls too.

River is 5c. BB instashoves and UTG folds. BB shows A4cc. UTG said he had JJ. I'm revealing results cause I also wanted to vent on the beat but also to get confirmation that the other 2 played their hands terribly and I played it correctly. Thoughts/suggestions are appreciated.

Pre is way too light. Call on the button and play a limped pot.

The rest of the hand probably just played itself. But if you want to discuss results, it starts much earlier in the hand - you raised pre-flop with 97s and got called by JJ, a hand to which you're like a 4:1 dog.

True. However knowing UTGs style I figured he was weak just open limping. I was looking at it as a way to steal the blinds and limpers and loosen up my own TAG image I had at the table so far. Is it that bad to raise with this type of the hand OTB? I thought it was OK to mix it up, get aggressive with suited connectors or 1 gappers?

Doesn't matter what calls you pre. You have the button and initiative. JJ is going to fold a high percentage of times we remain aggressive throughout the hand. And sometimes, when he has JJ we are going to cooler him with our well-disguised hand.

What percentage of the time do you think when the A or K flops and it checks to us and we c-bet that we take this down? Probably pretty high.

We have 97s, which is pretty close to ATC.

Are you raising with 96s? 85s? T7s?

Yes, we have the positional advantage and initiative, but we're giving up too much card advantage when we iso with such weak hands.

I agree with raising pre for same reasons as Chip and OP. If the majority of the table is going to limp/fold like this we gotta open up our range to pick up that dead money.

Am I raising with those hands Willy? Depends on how weak the table really is and my prior activity. If I've been folding the whole orbit and now find myself in LP then possibly.

The rest of the hand is fine. Momentarily thought about flop raise but then thought better of it given it's 3way, the TAG led out, and the station is left to act.

Just some things to think about:

Why do you eliminate other QJ's? I think spewtard who doesn't understand texture or anything would still call with those overs and a gutshot. I agree that TAG probably wouldn't cbet with them.

Also, why do you think TAG didn't just open the jacks UTG?

I play hands like 97ss for straights and flushes, not TP and draws.

I'd fold otf. IO are limited because our made hand, if we hit it, isn't disguised. OTT, when we go crazy, it's obvious we have 7x. Too many turn cards don't make our hand, and we'd need to fold. Non-club 5 or T were the only 6 cards we wanted to see ott. I know we're deep, but there's only those 6 cards, and when they hit, it's obvious what we have.

OTT, you lose to J7 also, and not only the club-club QJ combo, you lose to any QJ combo.

What made you think that? They would usually check the nuts MW on wet boards?

Raise is not so good here. You have a spewmonkey/station in BB, and a TAG who limped in from UTG (BTW, if you believe him about JJ, time to change that TAG read...). I don't mind raising light to take the money in the pot, but here I think you can count on 2 calls at least, station's gonna station, and TAGs are taught not to limp/fold.

I don't mind going three way to the flop with 2 passive players, but these guys are gonna test you with their aggressiveness. I'd want a bit more value to raise here.

I just had an instinct the way in which he called the flop bet so thoughtlessly that he was stronger than just a gutshot. If it was a combo draw with specifically the QJcc then so be it and I'm just getting cooled. I figured he just had a flush draw...or at least I was confident enough he shows up with many other things here except the QJcc to justify me getting the money in on the turn with the 3rd nuts and charging an incorrect price for the flush draw to continue.

As for why TAG didn't raise pre with JJ I'm not sure but I have seen other TAG players play JJ in a similar fashion where for whatever reason they don't want to bloat the pot pre and then just donk/lead out when their JJ holds as an over pair. Argument can be made they are not TAG at all for playing JJ like this, but this villain UTG played every other hand TAG from what u could tell. The other 2 villains played their hands terribly right?

BB played his hand fine, he always had the odds to draw more or less. Maybe a bit light OTT, but after UTG puts in a hundred, I would assume that he is coming too, and I can probably get more OTR.

UTG, well, he is not so TAG...

EDIT: This doesn't let you off the hook, btw, you made plenty of mistakes here too. Preflop raise into 2 aggro players with 97s, flop call to a 4 straight, etc.

Pre is fine. Probably fold flop though. Youre going to miss on the turn way more often then not, youre not getting good odds to draw and when you hit a 10c/5c and one of them bets $100 youre gonna be buried.

A cooler is when you were so strong the whole way that you couldn't fold at any point in the hand and got ****ed anyway. You could've folded pf and otf, you only had the 3rd nuts ott also: not a cooler.

If UTG is the only limper then an iso raise is ok but any more limpers than that and limping behind is more profitable than raising pre.

preflop is a raise but I'd make it 15. Flop is in game read dependent. Turn usually a fold but read dependent.

Don't "vent about the beat" in this forum. There's another for for that. Also related, pointing out villains who play bad. That's a good thing.

Folding to the flop lead with that much equity is criminal.

How am I ever folding the turn in a million years? I'm assuming TAG UTG got super aggressive with his QJcc draw which he hasn't shown he is capable of at the table yet? Fold turn because the guy behind me must have J7 or QJ? I assume you made a typo.