Im in sb with KTdd.
MP (fish, super loose preflop, was limp calling big raiseses with j8o, a7o,etc) limps, the guy next to him limps as well(new to the table). I make it 17 to isolate the fish. Effective stacks 550(my stack:d). they both called

flop(53): J66 with 1 diamond. I cbet 40, 1st guy fold, the other guy calls.
Here i put him on a wide range: Jx, small pairs, 6x, even ace high.

turn(133): A of diamond. I checked, he bets 60, i make it 225 and he moves all in, i call.
Here i thought he would bet the J and A high,and i could make him fold those to a raise. also i wanted to bet big on the river (pot- small overbet) in case he would check behind to make him fold the J,pairs if he would pot control them.
My question is on the turn....what do u think is the best option? bet/ fold, bet/all in, check/call, check/raise. and whats your plan on the river?

thanks!

I like c/r'ing that turn too. One reason to is that if it checks through, we got too see a free river with a ton of equity. And if we get the chance to c/r, then we use FE to its maximum. Leading/3betting isn't as good at forcing a fold as a c/r.

This deep, I'd like to get away from it if we need to know, nothing we're drawing to is the nuts. So I'd raise smaller, still go with the c/r though, and if I get 3bet than flat if getting the right price. If the guy is folding ott, you don't need to make it more than 4x. You can make it in the 3x neighborhood and if the guy is turning 77-TT into a bluff, or decided to bet Jx for some reason, or even some AQ/AK hands will fold when facing another ~$125. And from there call the 3bet if you're getting a good enough price, but it's on you to decide what is good based on the RIO scenarios.

I massively prefer just barreling the turn. He often folds 77 or Jx.

If we c/r, the only thing that should be betting is 6x (or the unlikely pure bluff I guess), which we have no fold equity against. Strongly dislike c/r.

just bet turn, there are tons of better hand that fold now, and you can still get there/repp something on the river targeting weak hands. what you did here instead, was isolating yourselfs vs 6c and Ax or bluffs which fold anyway, but you try to fold villain off the top of his range. you got equity, i give you that, but thats not a good idea to do. plus your line looks awfully bluffy, and if turn goes c/c, you might easily get called otr if you try to repp something.

just bet. way more good things happen for way cheaper wagers

I like this hand because it is a good example of when to bet or x/r as a semi bliff, which is somthing that Im working on. I think matzah balls and sauhund are right about not trying to xraise him off 6x but I think the most important question would be will he fold ax, because if that is part of his flop calling range then he would have the most combos of that.

I would just double barrel the turn. It's a good card for us and our perceived range and we can calculate odds if we get raised.

Also, I wouldn't look to isolate too often OOP. Just because they're fish doesn't mean being OOP is easy to play. I prefer to isolate when I have position. Having position and the information that comes from it will take away a good chunk of whatever skill edge you have unless they fold way too much.

Hold On! We may be getting ahead of ourselves here. How does villain play post flop? This influences our decisions here greatly.

If he is loose passive post, then this line is a spew. We could be drawing thinner than we think, and may be dead. Loose passives probably wouldn't take this line post, unless they have at least trips. How many LP Fish will 3! all in OTT without a strong hand? I have seen some terrible play recently, but this is usually a line where we can discount the K or T as viable outs.

Once V shoves, I'm pretty sure we need a diamond or straight to win the hand.

Thanks for your responses guys, made me realize the bet on the turn is the best line. he had T6 and i lost it

This this this. When you isolate the fish, you need to know whether you're going to beat him postflop by making him fold a lot or by getting lots of value when you make a hand. Here you had the misfortune of running into a monster, but you should also be asking yourself whether your line was going to get him to fold QJ.