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12-19-2015 , 06:17 PM
Three players limp in EP. Folds to me in the Hijack and I make it $14 with KQ.

Only two of three limpers call.

Reads: Based on 30 minutes of observation, these two villains limp a lot pre and are loose pre flop. If I didn't have that read, I'd probably just limp with KQo.

Flop: Q56.

Pot size: ~42 after rake

Effective stacks: ~190 against the first limper, ~130 against the second limper.

First limper leads for $20. Second limper calls. Do I call or raise? If raising, how much. Do I commit my stack to this hand if the first limper re-reraise my raise, or if I flat but one of them shoves turn?
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12-19-2015 , 07:21 PM
Call. You commit yourself with any raise. A pot-sized raise is $120, well over half the eff. stacks. You can't tell if V1 semibluffed, over valued top pair, or hit two pair or set. I'd rather call, see the turn and how the villains react.

I'd commit to any turn blank. If villains start shoving on a card that completes a draw, I'd strongly consider folding.
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12-19-2015 , 07:38 PM
I'd call. Downside is we let a 'free' card peel while the upside is we don't commit ourselves just yet. Limpster 1's turn action will narrow his range for us I think. 2 peels and he checks = drawing, A and he shoves = 2pair+, etc. Limpster 2's range is all pair+backdoor draw/FD/OESD/GSSD+BDFD/etc. Not sure what we do if turn blanks and Limpster 1 commits though, fold I guess?
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12-19-2015 , 09:15 PM
SPR of 2.2 and 1.5 and u have TP2K. Just move in.
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12-19-2015 , 09:28 PM
I absolutely hate flat calling here. Way too passive, and way too many cards we won't like OTT that will make our decision making very difficult.

the 20 donkbet/probe bet + call indicates most likely one of them has a weaker Q (maybe even 88 or 77) and the other is on a draw. I'm not giving a free card ever here.

Raising is the right play. You are putting pressure on them and their stack, taking away the pot odds for the draw, and valuebetting your top pair against a weaker hand. Although less likely when facing these players, you are also representing KK/AA and might get a fold from AQ (which at this point seems to be the only hand that beats you).

I'd repop it to something like 100/115$ with the intention of snapping a shove.
Calling is not an option IMO.

Last edited by sewktbk; 12-19-2015 at 09:48 PM.
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12-19-2015 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Lapidator
SPR of 2.2 and 1.5 and u have TP2K. Just move in.
+1. The donker doesn't have a set, almost everyone checks a set there. The middle guy might, but there's a ton of other stuff he can have also. Put pressure on them.
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12-20-2015 , 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Lapidator
SPR of 2.2 and 1.5 and u have TP2K. Just move in.
This, but I raise less than a shove so they have to show first.
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