Hey guys, long time lurker.

New table opened up, played for an hour so far. Villain is woman in her early 30s, tight nitty player who sits 2 seats to my left. I've seen her showdown KK.
Hero young 20s, image so far is tight

I am on the BTN with KQo. Folds around to a fish that limps to my right, I make raise $10, villain in BB calls, fish folds

Hero BTN ($190)
Villain BB ($150~)

Flop: Q 5c 6c Pot: $24

Villain: Bet $20
Hero: ?

Call with the intention of calling non flush/straight turns assuming reasonable bet sizing. You are way ahead of her range here, but considering she bet close to pot, any decent sized raise will most likely fold out all worse IMO.

If ever checked to in the hand, bet for value.

If a club or a 9 comes and villain bets then it depends on bet sizing, mannerisms, etc.

EDIT: How did she play her KK?

Fold flop. Not a great habit to fold TP2K but you're probably behind.

I'm folding here given the description of the Villain. Is she really donking out here with something you're way ahead of? Her sizing should be setting off alarm bells.

idk, hero says he has only been at the table for an hour, that's 30 hands. I folded for 2 hours straight the other day and I'm not really tight at all.

Really what is her donking range here?

AA/AK assuming she plays it like this preflop, she would probably x/r. Same for sets. Two-pairs I'm not sure.

I think her range is heavily weighted towards KT/KJ/KQ, and some draws. Do we have the Kc or Qc? I think we have to peel here, especially considering her hand will most likely be face up OTT.

derada this villain almost never bets a draw nor do I think she calls pre with 87 (although a read from the OP on the % of hands she calls with pre would help)

But that % is not going to be pretty meaningful after only an hour of play together?

blah, maybe you guys are right, I just know I've made this fold so many times, and someone behind me calls and it gets to showdown and I see what villain had and am just like wtfIfoldedthebesthand

I agree, call the flop, with intention of betting if checked to on any non flush completing turn, and reassessing if she fires a second barrel on a blank turn. KQ, KJ, KT is much more likely than AA AK KK QQ, since she flatted preflop. If she is a thinking player she would have reraised with those hands OOP with 3 players, not wanting to play a pot OOP 3 way. 55, 66 are moderately likely.

Also if we have the K or Q of clubs I am likely to call up to a 3/4 pot bet on the turn if another club comes.

Also info on how she played the KK preflop is very useful if you can remember

I was originally going to state preflop was obvious, but it actually isn't. How deep is the fish limper? I'd most likely raise an amount that enables us to stack off with TP postflop without so much as a second thought, so I'd raise closer to $20.

I would flat the flop. When we do, a tight nitty villain is going to slow down with everything other than nuttish hands on the turn, so I think we can then fairly safely fold to a second barrel (even though our hand is sorta unrepped); especially considering any turn bet pretty much commits her. If she checks, I might just check behind (again due to pot commitment); this way be too weak, but I'm not sure.

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As played, call. Do you have any clubs? Folding flop may be best - I'm not good enough. Fold turn if V bets again.

Pre - raise more since you have a weak player oop.

I don't think there is anyway folding the flop can be correct. People over use the term nit on these boards so I would hesitate to believe that someone who you have played 30 hands with can only show up with sets and AK plus here.

I ended up just calling intending to evaluate turn. Sorry I forgot to mention that I did not have any clubs in my hand.


K 5c 6c TURN: 2o Pot: $64

V: Bet $30
Hero: ??

Seems like a fold here. Villain profile doesn't seem to be one that would fire on the turn without at least a Queen (or is it a King? Your second mention has K65 flop) and TP with a Jack is the best case scenario here. 55, 66 and TPTK are all pretty reasonable.

Pre is OK, I'd lean a little large for all bets OTB with a limper in there, but meh.

On the flop we have to call. There are enough random Q's that may be donking into us (QT anyone?). I have a hard time classifying someone as a nit after an hour, it's just not enough hands. Sure, against an opponent that I have many hours of time against I can turbomuck this flop, but not here.

I really doubt that she's leading too many FDs here with that sizing. It actually feels like a JJ/TT hand that thinks it's ahead with only a single overcard but is still scared.

I disagree with the trend so far and lean towards checking behind if she checks the turn. It allows more hands that we beat to either bet on the river, or call our value bet on the river.

When she bets again on the blank 2o I start to lean towards folding (what's with the board, is it K high or Q high?). Many of the hands that we beat are good for two streets of value with our hand ... and at this point I don't expect her to check the river, so since I'm going to fold to nearly any river bet (with the lone exception of catching the K/Q to get a second pair), I may as well just fold now.

Sorry

board is
Q 5c 6c 2o

mis typed

This. If she really is nitty I'm snap folding kq and aq here but hating life with kk, aa (but I'd flat those and reevaluate). Aq should be the bottom end of her range here

Ak or k10, KJ?? ???? Her range here is like sets, aq, qxcc and maybe some monster draws or the occasional slow played kk,aa. She could also have 56 some of the time if she calls wih scs OOP

Folding flop seems pretty terrible in a vacuum but against described V I don't hate it. Would expect to see AQ/KK+ or a set pretty often

Lolwtf, 1hr sample and everyone has Mubs? I'm peeling at least 1 street bc we don't have a sample on villain...they all sometimes get bored and donk draws.

Soulread her $30 ott, its prolly a fold. Pot flop & 1/2 pot turn is the fishy way they 'lure' us into curiosity and get us to payoff rivers and showdown AQ+.

$15+ pre

I'm calling that flop and that turn. I'm not sure why everyone in this thread is ready to give up on flop/turn. Turn bet is weak and you beat a decent amount of Qx, 77-JJ, and draw hands she could donk with. In general I do not think you should give much credit to a donk bet line especially from a player who called out of the blinds. Well over half the time I see the most random spaz hands show up even from tight players. You should be calling this down imo.

Donk bet is virtually always mid pair, or top pair weakish kicker, therefore I call down until proven otherwise in these spots. I would expect AA/KK to 3bet from a tight player and I would expect a set to c/r rather than donk near full pot. Basically she bet big on the flop because she wants you to fold. Therefore you shouldn't fold.

fold flop. as played out, fold turn.

would be flabbergasted if she didn’t have A-Q.

I really don’t think q-j is even betting here, let alone full potting flop.

it's also the same line for a set.

uh.

lol.

Anyone interested in raising flop?

- From my experience Most Vs at 1/2 are not donking out sets as well as AA or KK here.

- A small raise to say 50 will only be raised by better hands and fold out, or at least slow down, Q10 QJ 1010 type of hands. This play will allow us to have most turns go check check and most Vs will still check river without strong hands.

Note: not saying this is the optimal play, just food for thought/discussion.

I ended up calling turn b/c her bet size seemed very weak. Heres the results

Board: Q 5c 6c 2o RIVER: 7o

Villain: CHECK

Turn bet was weak and she checked the river. Looking back, yes I agree probably should have folded the turn. At this point it was screaming to me that her range was KQ-QQ-QJ-JJ-1010. I remembered she called out of the blinds.

Hero bet/folds $30 for value

Villain calls and tables AA

Shocker. Take a mental note of how horribly V played this hand. Jebus...