Hero ($280): Mid 20s playing very TAG. Card dead so probably perceived as very tight. I've shown down Aces twice where I checked flop/turn/river on 2 occasions on super wet ugly boards. I have been caught once raising light in the CO when I raised K9o 6-handed and stacked a guy on a K93 flop when he has K3. This was the only hand I got out of line with all night.

Villian ($550): LAGish. 40s with Grey spiked hair. Before my K9 hand I 3bet QQ out of the small blind to $40 when this Villian raised $10 from EP and there were 2 callers. I had $190 to start the hand with when I made the 3bet and he 4 bet shoved over me for $220. I folded and he showed 44 and I claimed that hand had had me beat (as to not let him think he can run me over). Another guy at the table told me after that hand that he's played with him before and he's kind of a loose cannon and tilts all-in a lot when he loses some pots. Besides that he's been playing pretty standard. He hasn't been raising a ton pre, but he has attacked many straddled pots when it was limped around to him. He also showed down A3o on the button one hand that he raised $12 with.

Hand: 1 limper to me to the right of the HJ and I raise to $12 with KQ. Villian on the button calls, big blind call, and the limper completes.

Flop ($49): Q22

Checked to me and I make it $25. Villian sizes out a raise and makes it $40 on top. Folded to me. I think for a couple seconds and string call. I think this is definitely the type of flop someone like him would make a move on me on and if I just call he'll probably shut down any bluffs sue to my stack size.

Turn: ($179) T: I check. He pauses and dealer asks if he checked and he confidently shakes his head no and sizes out $95.

Hero?

If you're calling the flop, let him hang himself the whole way. Call and c/c when he shoves $108 ai otr.

If you are confident in your reads and are going with this hand, I think this is where you shove. You have about $200 on turn. Why just call $95? If v really does have air, you aren't going to get called on river, maybe he will call on turn hoping for a miracle card. If you just call and then check river, he isn't very likely to bet again IMO.

I think you have their stack sizes reversed.

grunch: call

this is my bread and butter. find a lagtard and go into call down mode. sometimes they'll have the cards... but usually they'll just hang themselves with less than top pair. if anything, guys like this will slow down with big hands so as not to fold out their opponents and have a chance to show off their hand. call down mode. as long as you don't fight back, they'll keep firing. if he's got a better hand just reload and wait for the next chance.

V can't shove for more than Hero has.

I realize this... Just thought you had them reversed based on wording... My bad

I think theres no way we can put him on a 2 here. I call and hope he doesn't have AQ.

I'm kinda shocked that the majority here are just calling this turn. Is our plan really to just c/c three streets hoping v fires 3 barrels with air?

If we get to showdown by check-calling, Villain will turn over:
66+
Q8+

If we shove and get shown down, Villain will turn over:
JJ+
QT+

By shoving, we just fold out hands that beat us.

Villain is willing to bet more hands than he will call with. Therefore, we check-call.

Ok, so I get that you want to keep his range as wide as possible, but don't we also want to play for stacks if we are gonna put 2/3 of our stack into the pot?

Is v really gonna fold to our shove? It would be $108 to win Aprox $460.

If v checks river, we just left $108 on the table. Isn't it better to try to get it all in here while v might still have some outs worth calling for?

I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, I'm just trying to make sense of this.

We are trying to. And what other posters and I are arguing is that check-call is the line that is most likely to get the stacks all-in.

Whether this is actually true is dependent on the Villain's tendencies. As described, I believe check-call gets us all-in most often: that is, Villain will bet more hands than he would call. This is the case when Villain likes to bluff, or when Villain likes to bet for thin value.

However, it is possible that Villain will call more hands than he would bet. This happens when Villain frequently clams up on the river with marginal hands, and also when Villain dislikes bluffing in a given spot; and, when this same Villain is suspicious of others bluffing him. Against this Villain, a shove is correct.

C/c all the way. Unless u think v can have some underpairs or weak kicker. Then shove is better. Never folding

Never folding so it depends if you've seen villain go into showdown mode otr with TPNK or will continue to barrel. If you think he's somewhat likely to barrel underpairs and more than likely to barrel TPNK on a blank river I'd prefer to x/c turn and river.

Against a wider range that might have picked up equity on the turn and will check back river, I prefer a x/shove here, just depends on what sorta lines you've seen v take with medium strength showdown hands.

I forgot to mention I also saw a hand where he had top set of QQQ one hand against a big stack and bet small on the flop, checked turn, and bet super small again on the river. I haven't seen him shown down any marginal holdings where there was a ton of money in the pot but I have seen him barrel big when he was cbetting and folded to aggression a couple times.

This just confirms the c/c down all day. Sounds like he probably has a sizing tell like most dumb lags do

I'm in the shove camp. You commit half your remaining stack (almost 2/3 of the starting stack) by calling $95. Can you fold on later streets after making this $95 call?

You've had aa twice and checked flop, turn, and river? Sounds like he might have u pegged as scared money. Probably tank calling turn and snapping river

Definitely possible, but if he's any sort of thinking player he'll see why I checked back Aces in a 3-way+ pot each time one board was: 457 and the turn was Q, other board was 578 turn was a 6

that's not why anyone is advocating a call. i don't think anyone has suggested folding regardless of the line.

we're calling to keep bluffs in villain's range.

Do u really think if he calls here that V is going to continue a bluff? Hero would ne priced in to call w pretty much anything. I shove here

Yeah that's what I was debating. I figured if I called and he actually shoved the river there was very little chance he could be bluffing at that point and maybe I could find a fold? Seems a little crazy, but does the math make it a absolute 100% must call if I just call turn?

Thats why id shove now, to avoid that scenario. If he has AQ, AA, QT or TT,or KK, so be it.

I just dont think you would get any more $ by calling him than you do by shoving

If he's a bad LAG that has a bet sizing tell like you mentioned above, chances are he's bad enough to not slow down like he should when he realizes you have a hand and are calling him down. Bad LAGs like that I've seen just triple barrel their hands off when someone gets a hand. Call river and watch him muck.

that's a good question. and if this is a lagtard like i often see in ac... then yes i expect (hope) he'll continue bluff. i also expect he would fold his bluffs if i shoved... even with a good price.

so i'm thinking this in 2 ways (and i was emphasizing the optimist side)

1. oh good... this guy loves pressuring guys into folding and tends to take "calls" as weakness and "raises/bets" as strength. so i'll call so he can keep bluffing (he also has the tell of betting bigger with bluffs and betting smaller with strong hands)

2. i'm committing myself and i'm not folding. however if i bet out/shove i think he's only going to call with hands that beat me. so i might as well call down with my showdown value and allow him to continue with a wider range.