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1/2 KQ flop tp, river t2 on 4 str8 board 1/2 KQ flop tp, river t2 on 4 str8 board

10-17-2013 , 07:53 PM
V1 (190)- 50 yo mexican male, loose passive
Hero's Image (300)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (3):
Hero is LP dealt KQ
2 limps, Hero raises to 12, V1 calls from sb, limpers fold.

Flop (26):
QT5
V1 checks, Hero bets 15, V1 calls.

Turn (55):
J
V1 checks, Hero bets 25, V1 c/r to 50, Hero calls.

River (155):
K
V1 checks, Hero bets 60, V1 calls.
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10-17-2013 , 08:02 PM
Maybe bit a tad larger on the flop, and check behind turn because the J is such a good card for villain's range. Other than that nh.
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10-17-2013 , 08:10 PM
I just started posting in this section, is it standard to mention the players race? Lol

Reaching for 3 streets here is very optimistic. I check back back turn and evaluate river. Given result I would value bet if checked to again on river
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10-17-2013 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MattElsarelli
I just started posting in this section, is it standard to mention the players race? Lol

Reaching for 3 streets here is very optimistic. I check back back turn and evaluate river. Given result I would value bet if checked to again on river
Race is not a bad thing, making a racist comment is different... How the hell is Mexican a race anyway..
And OP I am having really hard time seeing u getting called by anything u beat otr

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Last edited by playertee; 10-17-2013 at 10:43 PM.
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10-17-2013 , 11:24 PM
He paid you OTR? Nh.

I like a check OTT too just to maintain pot control and that J does smash a lot of his range.

Guessing he had JT or QJ
nh
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10-18-2013 , 08:16 AM
Nh, wp.

Flop - I'd size larger ($20-22), especially with your draw blocker.
River - Also a bit larger, perhaps $70-75.
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10-18-2013 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by playertee
Race is not a bad thing, making a racist comment is different... How the hell is Mexican a race anyway..
And OP I am having really hard time seeing u getting called by anything u beat otr

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I didn't say it was bad, but personally it's about as helpful to me as saying the guy is a wearing glasses, or has a birth mark on his arm, ect.
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10-18-2013 , 12:04 PM
Thanks for the comments everyone.

I simply estimate age and ethnicity as a means of describing a villain since I am not about to ask everyone their name. It helps my memory, usually not much value as far as reads based on age or race but some stereotypes hold true with rare exceptions such as 80 yo aren't usually 3 betting light.

I am surprised most are recommending checking this turn last to act. I still have a decent made hand+redraw vs a station. I can get value from Kx, 9x, fds.

Now when I get c/r I am pretty sure I am behind but getting directs odds for my oesd. Villain probably has QJ or JT.

River I decide to go for thin value based on his demeanor and timing I don't think he had Ax or 9x. Any worse 2p might look me up. I planned to b/f.
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10-18-2013 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MattElsarelli
I just started posting in this section, is it standard to mention the players race? Lol

Reaching for 3 streets here is very optimistic. I check back back turn and evaluate river. Given result I would value bet if checked to again on river
Race and appearance do matter when evaluating an unknown. If I sit down and in the first orbit I'm up against a loud PR guy with a New York accent with a too small shirt and lots of gold jewelry, I will assign his range/playstyle differently than a middle aged white guy in khakis and a polo and differently from an older Asian male or an OMC etc etc.

Once I play a few orbits I will judge the player on how he plays and the race/appearance do not matter much if at all.
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10-18-2013 , 12:21 PM
On the hand itself, the river is the really interesting spot. Unless V is super tricky or passive, he does not have the nuts (Ax). If he has one pair+diamonds, he's not calling anything so we don't even have to worry about it. That leaves 2P type hands and a naked 9.

Betting $60 against a 9 is just value towning yourself while it's a thin value against 2-pair. I like a shove here a lot better, it pretty much ensures you get the pot as the FE is probably approaching 100%.

My take is shove > check back > thin value.
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10-18-2013 , 12:25 PM
I agree physical appearances can sometimes provide information. Saying "Mexican in cutoff" or "white dude in MP" provides nothing. I'm not saying it's being racist either, it just seems pointless.
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10-18-2013 , 12:28 PM
I like the way you played the hand, though I would have bet more on the flop to get max value. I agree betting the turn is correct, you'll get called all day by KJ, KT, Q9, J9, T9, and maybe even AJ and AT. When he c/r you you're obviously behind but the price he gives you is too good to not call.

The river bet is pretty thin but I guess it's OK against a standard 1/2 player who could call off with 2-pair. The chances of him having an ace or a 9 are slim based on this turn c/r. If he had AK and nutted the turn he'd clearly fire the river, too. Only hands I'd be worried about are 89 and K9.
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10-22-2013 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by donkatruck
On the hand itself, the river is the really interesting spot. Unless V is super tricky or passive, he does not have the nuts (Ax). If he has one pair+diamonds, he's not calling anything so we don't even have to worry about it. That leaves 2P type hands and a naked 9.

Betting $60 against a 9 is just value towning yourself while it's a thin value against 2-pair. I like a shove here a lot better, it pretty much ensures you get the pot as the FE is probably approaching 100%.

My take is shove > check back > thin value.
I think a shove is terrible, he will only call with better, probably calls with 9x.

Spoiler:
Villain had JTo, mhig
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10-22-2013 , 01:42 PM
I like everything up until the river bet as I think it's really hard to get called by worse, but you did just that, so nh.

But in general I think I'd be checking back the river against most vill's because their never folding better and normally not calling worse. You have a ton of straights in your range .
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10-22-2013 , 02:15 PM
Check the turn back IMO. There just aren't all that many hands he is likely to have and call with that we beat on that turn.

River bet was good.
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