Table Analysis: While it's 1/2 table, half the players are waiting for 2/5 table to open. Since we sat down, this table has been highly aggressive-a lot of action. Every hand but one had a raise preflop.

Hero(UTG $360 stack):MAWG seen as aggressive. Only been there for 2 orbits. has had 4 pocket pairs and AJ so has been very active. Only been to showdown once- called an overshove on a preflop raise with 99 vs somebody else waiting for 2/5. That specific player has overbet the pot 3 times already.

V1(BTN $260 stack):Middle Age Hispanic Male. Aggressive, positionally aware.

V2(BB ~$200stack): older white male. calls too much.

(V1 and V2 are both waiting to play at 2/5)

Hero:K K

Hero limps with Kings intending to reraise. 7 people limped to the flop.

J T 2

Checked around to V1 on the BTN, V1 bets $10, v2 calls, hero raises $35. V1 and V2 call. Everyone else folds.

Turn 2

V2 Check Hero Checks V1 Checks

River: 4

V2 bets $50

Hero?

Well this is a slam dunk advertisement for not l/rr Imo, which is a play I really dispise.
So we are in a mess on this flop and multiway one pair just won't be good that often,
I think the flop raise is ok, we can't really fold, and there are alot of draw out there we need to charge, the only legit hand we lose to are jt and 22....
Turn check through is standard I think although the 2 is a brilliant card for us.
The 4 on the river is nice and blank, and as the 2 was the best card in the deck for us on the turn, we just counterfitted jt, no bluffs made it, and 22 is almost impossible now, easy call on the river.

Yeah never limping KK. I'm assuming you want a l/rr but just bet it. If your image is aggressive you get 3 bet sometimes and sometimes don't, but playing a limped pot 7 ways is a lot grosser than a raised pot 2 to 4 ways

I feel that the limp/rr from EP at these stakes is such an unbalanced play, you should basically never do it. Just raise to $16-20 PF with your aggro reputation.


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I'm not a big fan of limp/reraising either guys, but would you never do it? this seems like the right situation to attempt imo, only one hand in 2 orbits hasnt been raised pre, we have KK utg which I like limp raising better than AA because of ace removal. That being said the limp raise didnt work this time.

BET THE TURN OMFG. like how can you check this turn?? bet 3xpot all-in is fine or bet pot $100 and shove all rivers.

AP raise to $125/fold.

Raise pre, bet bet shove.

AP pre, bet bet shove
AP flop, bet turn shove river
AP turn, ck-shove river

Limp reraises are too transparent IMO...it's always KK+ or rarely AK but virtually always insanely strong. Unless we have a range of limp reraises as bluffs I hate it

So pathetic people still try to limp reraise in 2017

if you never limp with a premium than you are playing wrong. i promise you there are times when its advantageous although id agree most people do it WAY too much. it depends on the players. Like literally probably a good idea <1% of the time this is not the spot to do it either upon further reflection.

Is that a pinky promise? There's nothing easier than playing IP against a limp-c range or a limp-r range. So yeah, I guess it does depend on your opponents after all. Real real bad, you're cut.

csb

Thats like saying there are times to rip AA with 200bb over an utg open cause sometimes people won't fold KK

no im saying sometimes limping KK+ utg is right because the player to your direct left raised out of turn. im saying its super table dependent but to just say LOL limp reraise is never right is dumb. You gonna bet into a drunk guy grabbing fistfuls of chips about to blind raise? I've seen bad regs lead into a drunk that was betting 10x preflop 100% no matter who limped and who would fold 80% if someone else raised preflop. You gonna raise with AA utg here???? I've played in games where player announce they are going to blind raise behind me and will. I'll announce I'm going to limp if I get AA!

fwiw this is not the right time to go for the limp reraise.

I completely disagree with the "never limp reraise" crowd, but that's something we could argue about all day and nobody will ever change their mind so Im not going to waste my time.

What I want to talk about is the turn. How in the world do you check this turn? Its the absolute best turn card after this action. The odds of someone having a 2 and calling the flop check raise is almost zero. You now beat JT. You basically have the nuts at this point.

As played, Im raising the river.

Should have raised to 45 or 50 since their are 2callers in the pot if we get raised could consider letting it go as played def just calling here if we raise for value here and get 4b that would be tough AND SHOULD HAVE BET 15 or like 17 pf if you don't you'd have to play it more defensively putting you in tougher spots in later streets but I understand why you did that but if theirs action going on don't be afraid to be apart of it w strong hands

Why'd you turn the literal best card in the deck for you and check?

Also this. Couldn't make a worse turn decision unless you mucked face up.

I'm not as anti-l/rr as most, though I try not to make a habit of it. Given the description of this table though, this would have been one of the times that I'd have thought about doing it.



Flop raise is fine, though I might have gone a bit bigger as to discourage too much of the field tagging along. Turn is disastrous IMO. Yes these loose players waiting for a larger game can have some 2x, but it's unlikely. This is one of the best cards in the deck for you, easy bet OTT. Something like $80-$85

OTR, raise it up. $120-$130. You've seriously under-repped your hand on a board where there's so few combos possible that have you beat. I guess every so often you'll run into a random 2x, but I think it's much more likely V is value betting a J or J10