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01-21-2019 , 10:07 AM
1/2 home game - this is Hero's first time at the game, so the reads are only based on the hands for that night.

Hero's Image: Luckbox. (I had been caught bluffing two streets with six high in a previous hand, and was down $200 till I tripled up with 99 vs KK from nit and KJ from maniac (hit the set.). Won a big hand with AA vs K8 on a K83 (all in, call) 55 runout. I *think* I'm good at poker, but the main reason I have a big stack, as far as this table is concerned, is luck.

Vil 1: Vil 1 is a okay player, has most of the basics down, but plays too many hands and calls down way too light. Stack is $450

Vil 2: Vil 2 is a tight reg, and plays ABC poker. Stack is $200.

Hero covers both.

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preflop:
  • SB posts $1
  • BB (Vil1) posts $2
  • UTG folds, UTG + 1 folds,
  • MP (Vil1) limps $2,
  • Hero has KK MP+1 (Hero) raises to $13,
  • MP+2 folds,
  • HJ(Vil2) 3-bets to $30,
  • CO folds, BUT folds, SB folds, BB folds,
  • Vil1 calls $30,
  • Hero calls $30???

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My thoughts on this - why not just 4-bet to $100?

Well, a couple of reasons.

I'm out of position against Vil2, but his range is pretty well defined: AJ+, TT+. My thoughts are - if I 4-bet here, I fold out a lot of the hands that I can comfortably get value from on a non-ace flop (AQ on a Q-high flop, AJ on a J high flop, QQ, JJ, TT)

But if I 4-bet, JJ, TT, AJ, AQ all go away, leaving QQ/KK/AA/AK. I'm not so invested that I can't throw away kings on an ace high flop, so why not see the flop. Vil 1's range is even wider, and will fold to a 4-bet with a majority of his hands.

And if I get 5-bet, then basically I'm up against AA and AA only.
Pot is $92

Flop is 983
  • Vil1 checks
  • Hero checks(with intent to c-r, thinking Vil2 will c-bet A-high)
  • Vil 2 bets $70 (has $350 behind)
  • Vil 1 calls $70 (has $100 behind)
  • (pot is now $232) Hero tanks, check-raise all-in??? ($420 effective)
  • ($350 for Vil2 to call a pot of $932 total) Vil2 tanks 3+minutes. Vil2 tries to get Hero to talk. Eventually folds.
  • ($100 for Vil1 to call a pot of $432 total) Vil1 calls all-in $100

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Obviously that's a good flop for me, as my flat pre to the 3-bet means my kings are underrepped, and I DO think that I get called with worse from Vil 2 (TT, JJ, QQ) and fold out a lot of hands with equity (AK, AJ, AQ). If he's got aces or a set of nines, so be it, that's really the top of his range, though. The board's got a straight draw but I don't think he'd put me on it.

Whatever Vil 2 does, Vil1 should probably call if he's got any piece of it or any good draw given the pot odds. Vil2's range is really wide here, given his short stack, I think I'm way ahead of Vil2.
Thoughts? Spoilers in next post.
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01-21-2019 , 10:11 AM
This is the most well formatted hh I’ve ever seen
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01-21-2019 , 10:21 AM
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Vil 1 had 87o, and called me down very light with middle pair. He got lucky, however, and hit the 7 on the turn and 8 on the river for a full house; ces't la vie. I don't think calling the $70 from V2 was a good play, but calling the $100 from my CR after V2 folds was pretty much a pot-odds decision.

What blew my mind is that Vil2 *folded AA* on that flop (and showed us). Honestly, I thought he was folding QQ or JJ there... but not AA.

That AA is why I want to get another person's look at the hand - When I check-raised, I had assumed that I would get calls from *worse* overpairs than KK which is *why* I check-raised -- getting a fold from *better* wasn't what I was thinking. I thought AA vs. KK was "just the cost of doing business." Did I make a mistake here that just happened to work in my favor because V2 made the mistake of folding too tight?

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01-21-2019 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
This is the most well formatted hh I’ve ever seen
Thank you.
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01-21-2019 , 11:54 AM
Terrible fold with AA
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01-21-2019 , 12:23 PM
Very well played IMO. Solid thought process. The AA 3 bet was too small so maybe he ranged you guys super wide. Given you were the initial pre flop raiser I think he makes a huge mistake folding AA on the flop. He should only be behind 88 and 99 for the most part but given the small raise maybe he added 89s. I suspect your line, combined with his tiny 3 bet helped him make his folding mistake. Your hand doesn't look like a huge overpair and he probably cant imagine you CRAI on a straight draw. There's no combo draw. He probably couldn't imagine you'd have a bluff here.
So he couldn't figure it out and just folded. I think a better player sigh calls so I wouldn't try this if Vs cards were face up.
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01-21-2019 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
Very well played IMO. Solid thought process. The AA 3 bet was too small so maybe he ranged you guys super wide. Given you were the initial pre flop raiser I think he makes a huge mistake folding AA on the flop. He should only be behind 88 and 99 for the most part but given the small raise maybe he added 89s. I suspect your line, combined with his tiny 3 bet helped him make his folding mistake. Your hand doesn't look like a huge overpair and he probably cant imagine you CRAI on a straight draw. There's no combo draw. He probably couldn't imagine you'd have a bluff here.
So he couldn't figure it out and just folded. I think a better player sigh calls so I wouldn't try this if Vs cards were face up.
Thanks. I think if I was V2, I'd probably have 3-bet more if only because it *looks* like a squeeze play. Heck, I think if he had 3-bet more, Vil1 would have folded, and I would have been more likely to GII pre.
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