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05-28-2010 , 11:16 AM
First Hand of the night. Villian is a LAG player. MP1 is a decent player, likes to see flops but doesn't play post flop without a hand. My image is fairly tight, I don't enter many pots.

1/2 NL - 9 handed

Everyone has 100 stacks.

Villian is UTG and straddles $5

HERO is CO

Hero is dealt KK

3 player call the $5 straddle, the pot is now $23. action on hero.

Hero raises to $30. I don't mind a caller, but I want to thin the crowd a bit.

Button Folds, SB folds, BB folds, Villian defends his straddle and calls. MP calls, fold, fold.

3 players to the flop. pot is $103.

Flop 2610

Villian checks

MP checks

Hero???

I'll post more once I get a couple of replies.
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05-28-2010 , 11:20 AM
That is a really dry flop.
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05-28-2010 , 11:38 AM
close your eyes and ship
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05-28-2010 , 11:46 AM
I don't care how dry the flop is, I am betting here (all-in) almost every time

Edit - this was assuming you only have $70 left. With deeper stacks bet less 1/2-2/3 of the pot

Last edited by Biesterfield; 05-28-2010 at 11:53 AM.
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05-28-2010 , 11:49 AM
Everyone has 100 BB or $100? If everyone only has $70 here then we have to ship here, no?

With deeper stacks, this is such a dry board so I probably only bet like half the pot which should take it down. If anyone calls I'd actually continue cautiously and maybe even check the turn (especially if MP calls). If Villain calls I'd probably check turn and let him bluff into me on river.

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05-28-2010 , 11:51 AM
Im an idiot, didnt see $100 stacks. Easy ship.
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05-28-2010 , 11:55 AM
I don't really understand the question, this seems like the easiest shove ever given our hand, the board, our stack, and the pot. Send it in.

Maybe OP is asking if he should allow a card to peel off because the board is so non-threatening?
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05-28-2010 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
Maybe OP is asking if he should allow a card to peel off because the board is so non-threatening?
That is what I was thinking. I don't see the point of betting the flop, you are only going to get called by a set or take the pot down. I think check the flop, and see if the hidden monster wakes up. If not, then you give them a chance to catch something to call your turn bet.
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05-28-2010 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by EightFoldPath
I don't see the point of betting the flop, you are only going to get called by a set or take the pot down.
IMO, you are getting called by a lot worse here, and if you're not the other players at the table are ultra bad (ie. worse than regular bad 1/2nl players).

Against one opponent I could see an argument for letting a card peel, but I don't think so here.
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05-28-2010 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by EightFoldPath
That is what I was thinking. I don't see the point of betting the flop, you are only going to get called by a set or take the pot down. I think check the flop, and see if the hidden monster wakes up. If not, then you give them a chance to catch something to call your turn bet.
Uhh, well, I'm glad you were thinking the same thing, although I obviously disgaree that in live 1/2 NL no hand is giving you action other than {TT/66/22} in this spot.
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05-28-2010 , 02:58 PM
I'm never worried about being behind on this flop. If Villian is the type to defend his straddle for $30, what if we throw out a weak-looking cbet hoping he calls or even raises? He might call a shove with a smaller pocket pair, but what if we give him a chance to bully us?
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05-28-2010 , 06:25 PM
Glad to hear that everyone would have shipped it. I did push my remaining $70. Villian (straddler) calls my straddle. MP folds.

Spoiler:
Villian rolls over AT, MP announces that he folded an ace. Turn card is a brick. Villian hits his two-outer on the river. I still don't feel bad about my push, I got my money in good.
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05-28-2010 , 06:34 PM
Result doesnt matter. Its an easy ship. A10-J10 are calling here. The stacks are shallow so there really isnt another choice
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05-28-2010 , 06:40 PM
Spoiler:
[ ] two outer
[x] four outer
[x] played correctly
[x] had no viable option other than shoving and being happy enough to try to hit on a waitress while awaiting a call
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05-28-2010 , 07:23 PM
i don't see how this is a question ship now please
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05-28-2010 , 07:52 PM
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This post is yet another waste of everyone's time.
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05-28-2010 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough
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This post is yet another waste of everyone's time.
pretty much.
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05-28-2010 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough
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This post is yet another waste of everyone's time.
seems to be that case quite a bit around here lately.
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05-28-2010 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by EightFoldPath
That is what I was thinking. I don't see the point of betting the flop, you are only going to get called by a set or take the pot down. I think check the flop, and see if the hidden monster wakes up. If not, then you give them a chance to catch something to call your turn bet.
Are you serious? You have people putting in 30% of their stacks pre, you have KK on a rainbow T-high flop, you shove now. People will call with any T or any other overpair or any draw or hell, a lot of PP smaller than T. People aren't profitably set-mining you or waking up with monsters enough by putting in 30% of stacks pre against you here.
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05-29-2010 , 05:07 PM
Easy shove, not threadworthy,
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05-29-2010 , 09:27 PM
dont fool me to read bad beat stories again.
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