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Old 02-10-2014, 02:38 AM   #1
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1/2 KK Facing River Bet vs LAG

Hero stack ~$300 and Villain stack ~$550

Hero is active but hasn't gone to showdown in the two hours he's been at the table. Just treading water around the $250-$350 mark while playing small pots.

Villain is LAG and has been straddling every orbit. I've seen him muck hands at showdown. The one time I saw him win a pot at showdown was when he called a raise with pocket 3s from the straddle position and the flop came Q3Q.

Hero K K

Villain straddles $6, call $6, fold, fold, Hero raises to $30, fold, fold, Villain calls $30, fold

Flop ($69) 4 6 7 Villain checks. Hero bets $55. Villain calls $55.
Turn ($179) 10 Villain checks. Hero checks.
River ($179) 10 Villain bets $125. Hero?

It's unlikely villain flopped two pair as it was a draw heavy flop and villain c/c the flop and checked the turn. I probably should have bet the turn but I didn't want to get check raised with only a pair on this board when villain has such a wide range. No flush came in and I doubt villain has a 10 in his hand based on the flop action. Regardless of the (in)action on the turn, I'm guessing this is a call.
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Old 02-10-2014, 03:14 AM   #2
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Re: 1/2 KK Facing River Bet vs LAG

I bet the turn. Even given the LAG descrption of villain I think most players at these stakes will only c/r that turn with a nutted range. If you check behind you forgo a street of value you could have gotten from a number of draws and pair+draw type hands.

Given the action I think the RVR is a call. He will show up with busted draws, 7x and 88, 99 ect... often enough.
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Old 02-10-2014, 03:23 AM   #3
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Re: 1/2 KK Facing River Bet vs LAG

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Hero stack ~$300 and Villain stack ~$550

Hero is active but hasn't gone to showdown in the two hours he's been at the table. Just treading water around the $250-$350 mark while playing small pots.

Villain is LAG and has been straddling every orbit. I've seen him muck hands at showdown. The one time I saw him win a pot at showdown was when he called a raise with pocket 3s from the straddle position and the flop came Q3Q.

Hero K K

Villain straddles $6, call $6, fold, fold, Hero raises to $30, fold, fold, Villain calls $30, fold

Flop ($69) 4 6 7 Villain checks. Hero bets $55. Villain calls $55.
Turn ($179) 10 Villain checks. Hero checks.
River ($179) 10 Villain bets $125. Hero?

It's unlikely villain flopped two pair as it was a draw heavy flop and villain c/c the flop and checked the turn. I probably should have bet the turn but I didn't want to get check raised with only a pair on this board when villain has such a wide range. No flush came in and I doubt villain has a 10 in his hand based on the flop action. Regardless of the (in)action on the turn, I'm guessing this is a call.
As played, its an easy call. LAG Villain is bluffing here a fair amount of the time, and he really has no value hands what so ever, because most hands that beat you (sets and 2p) would raise you on the flop. You only have to be good ~40% of the time, and your ahead a lot more. That being said, I'd bet turn for sure, probably around $125-135ish to set up a shove on a non-threatening river card.
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:47 AM   #4
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Re: 1/2 KK Facing River Bet vs LAG

Why are we checking the turn? The only realistic hand that beats you with the ten is specifically 89... And if that is in his range, so is 67, which we now beat on the river.

More importantly - think about all the hands that will still call on the turn. Club draws. 5x hands, most of them 'pair and straight draw' hands. Pocket jacks. Pocket queens. A-10. We can get called by so much worse, and do you really think a LAG is going to miss a chance at getting paid off with a better hand by checking the turn?

It's possible he has you beat and was going to check raise, thinking you'd be pot committed, but there are far too many worse hands that call us on the turn....why give him a free shot at our stack?

We actually only need to be good about 30% of the time, and I think we're good far more than that, especially when we realize that villain could be value betting with worse. If V had a 10x hand, kick yourself in the nuts for not betting the turn.

With your stack sizes I'd be tempted to shove the remaining 90 making it look like a desperation ship...

The only reason to check the turn is if you thought V was weak and wouldn't call a double barrel from a tight pre-flop raiser. In which case...wish granted, snap call.

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Old 02-10-2014, 11:56 AM   #5
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Re: 1/2 KK Facing River Bet vs LAG

GRUNCH

I am barreling turn and checking behind on the river. If check raised on the turn it will be a math decision based on the odds you are given on a call vs the best range you can put villain on.

As played, I think I would make the call but expect to lose the pot about half the time. I believe half the time because we are ahead of some of his value range (two pair, over pair) as well as obviously his bluffs.
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Old 02-10-2014, 12:22 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 KK Facing River Bet vs LAG

Grunch...

What's your reasoning for checking the turn? If it's to induce a bluff it appears that may have worked and I am snap calling his river bet. I question your read on him being a 'LAG'. He may be loose and he may be aggressive but a 'LAG' in my opinion should be used as a description for a winning LAG player, not some Laggro fish.

As played I imagine he is raising all 2pair+ hands otf. Villain has a lot of pair + straight draws in his range and IMO betting the turn is almost mandatory bet/fold to get value from those types of hands. As played your hand looks like you missed with overs or a pocket pair below 10s. I am calling here and feeling good about it.
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Old 02-10-2014, 12:25 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2 KK Facing River Bet vs LAG

Should we raise more PF here? Make it $45, V still calls, bet $80 on the flop, jam turn
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Old 02-10-2014, 06:16 PM   #8
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Re: 1/2 KK Facing River Bet vs LAG

Hero calls $125. Villain shows 77.

I don't blame the posters for giving me a bit of crap over this one for even thinking about folding here. I also should have played the hand differently, and appreciate the well thought out responses given in this thread. Admittedly I was playing a bit scared after some unfortunate instances from earlier in the session. But we can't play scared and expect to win. Thanks for the responses.
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Old 02-10-2014, 06:46 PM   #9
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Re: 1/2 KK Facing River Bet vs LAG

Not to be overly harsh, but you were lucky in that villain played the hand even worse than you did. Set vs an overpair that stays an overpair on the river and he didn't get your your stack? When you only had 45bb behind? That is truly awful.

Best way to spot the good players? The guys pulling in max value with their big hands.

Given stack sizes and that flop, you absolutely need to go broke here, because Villains will play the same way with all the hands you beat. If you're not able to stack off here because of a few rough spots earlier in the night, take a break, go get dinner, come back with your A game and crush.
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:43 PM   #10
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SPR 3.9 : 1. I'm surprised you didn't get stacked. Villain called getting 9 : 1 implies odds on his set mine, which is pretty bad. If you both play this PF situation 100 times, you will make a lot of money...even if you get stacks in every time he hits a set. So I wouldn't worry about this hand.

A small improvement would be bettin a little bigger PF. 5x + 1 per limper means $36, but I'd raise a little more. Loose straddlers will call big bets way too wide here, and if you made it, say $40, you make his odds mistake even bigger.
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:50 PM   #11
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Re: 1/2 KK Facing River Bet vs LAG

snap call river as played
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