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Originally Posted by recondite
Raise flop. You have position and are way ahead of his range here.
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Originally Posted by au4all
Neither of those are good reasons to bet.
This response is why wading thru posts on poker forum is often a waste of time. Since au4all isn't the resident prophet, saying they are not good reasons to bet does not make it so.
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Originally Posted by shady24
I'm raising flop. He could have 56, a flush draw, an over pair to the board, hoping you're on AK and missed this flop. If you raise, and he jams, easy fold. He prob bets his flush and straights on turn, so I'd bet again, expecting TT JJ to call again, especially with a diamond in their hand.
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Originally Posted by au4all
It's okay for your opponents to be misled about your hand. You're under no obligation to tell them what your hand is.
Your action, whether it is a check or bet, is always telling a V something. That is, if he's been paying attention to when you bet/check throughout the session, it's just harder for V to uncover your play because he has to be paying more attention.
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Originally Posted by au4all
Which I guess is why you didn't reveal your thoughts as to why you hold the position[s] that you do in the matter?
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Originally Posted by riverfish1
raise flop get it in on the flop.
raise-folding flop is bad. If you include 56 and flush draws in someone's range - they can easily jam those on the flop given that there aren't a huge amount of 7s in Hero's range and a lot more overpairs that could fold.
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Originally Posted by au4all
Indeed it is. that makes perfect sense.
Now au4all agrees that raising flop is good, if we intend to GII with V.
OTF, V is donking $11 into 2 Vs, OOP, with a raked pot of $26 where I play, because they've taken $2 for the BBJ.
There are players who will bet their trips here out of the BB because often times they will not be believed. <1/2 pot is a nice sized bet. Depending on the type of player he is, BB could have paid $8 pre with A7s, K7s, 97s, 87s, 76s, 75s.
It's also a nice size bet for a flush draw if BB can tame his V's into just calling his blocking donk-bet.
As for BB shipping it if you raise, the only hand he could have to make that profitable is 6
5
.
8
6
only gives him 41% equity. If you raise his $11 flop bet to $45 & HJ folds, there will $80 in the pot after the rake & Hero has 245 behind. So V would be shipping 279 into a pot of 31 + 11 + 45 + 34 to call + 245 to GII + your 245 = 611 - 7 rake = 604.
V's 279 [31 to match your flop raise + 245 to put you AI] is 45.66% of the pot & he has 40.5% equity with something like 8
6
so he is going to need 5.2% FE to break even. There is only 1 combo [6
5
] that gives V 48.8% equity.
Now I see this kind of shipment made quite often by agro-tards, so against those people I am never folding. I never have to fear calling off vs his whole range when he doesn't have a 7. The problem is: he'll have a 7 in his shipment range sometimes.....but will he GII with A7s/K7s? Why does he need to fear you being on a flush draw? It's possible, but is it your most likely holding.
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Originally Posted by NittyOldMan1
meh i dislike raising flop. just call and keep making him think you have AK.
turn looks like a small bet, maybe 1/2 pot and fold to a CR. if called check back river UI.
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Originally Posted by au4all
Agree 100%.
So.....au4all agrees with riverfish1, however, he agrees with NittyOldMan 100%, so..........I guess riverfish got a 9x% agreement?
Am I missing something, or has au4all contributed nothing [other than an opinion, & even Trump has one of those] to this thread?