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01-02-2014 , 03:29 AM
Min raise to $90 if villain 2 is basically never folding. And fold to a reraise from villain 1. Otherwise just flat flop. A club may or may not be a good card for you
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01-02-2014 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
You are still misunderstanding. If bolded is the case you should be flatting even more so, do you see why?

Also those ranges I gave were worst case continuing ranges. Basically when you raise you fold out everything you are destroying (like his exact hand in this example) and get it in against a 50/50 equity range AT BEST.
If you're saying that flatting allows V2 to hang himself on most turns, then yeah, I understand what you mean. If it was me and V2 HU I would like this option. I wasn't entirely sure that V2 would fold out all the low equity garbage in his range; he seemed rather spewy at this point, so I thought I might be able to see him continue with garbage sometimes. In this hand I would have obviously preferred for him to call with a hand like JcTs. But if he was going to win the pot 22% of the time when he did continue, I'm not actually losing all that much in terms of EV. $19.70 according to my math below.

Scenario 1: I raise. Both V's fold. I win $95 throughout hand.
Scenario 2: I flat. V1 folds. Overall I win $114.70 throughout hand.
- V2 hits offsuit Q/7 or runner runner 2pr/trips on turn/river while I fail to redraw 22% of time. Gets in $100 extra on turn. I lose $170 throughout hand. $170 * .22 = -$37.40
-V2 misses but gets in $100 on turn 78% of time. I win $195 throughout hand. $195 * .78 = +$152.10

The bigger question, though, is about V1 continuing with a wide range if my plan is to raise any non-club turns. With both me and V1 300bb deep I did not consider this trivial at all. If I was V1 and knew there would be potential for those kind of fireworks on the turn, I could profitably call the flop getting 4:1 with straight draws hoping to hit something offsuit on the turn. If hero flats with a plan to raise non-club turns, am I planning to raise/fold when V1 bet/3bets big on turns that seem somewhat random? Or do we just call the 3bet and call it a cooler when the redraw doesn't hit? Even if I do raise/fold in those spots, I feel like I'm losing a lot of money on a situation that I could have prevented by manipulating V1's implied odds slightly OTF.
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01-02-2014 , 11:03 PM
I think the donk bet screams weakness. like a draw or top pair.
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01-03-2014 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by PopMegaphone
I think the donk bet screams weakness. like a draw or top pair.
Patrik Antonius: "I have a pair, I have a top pair! "

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01-03-2014 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dicecube
Patrik Antonius: "I have a pair, I have a top pair! "

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Was that against Farha? I can vaguely remember it. HSP season 4?
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01-03-2014 , 10:17 AM
Yes, it's a pretty funny hand


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01-03-2014 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by dicecube
Patrik Antonius: "I have a pair, I have a top pair! "

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lol LOVE this
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01-04-2014 , 08:26 AM
"Haha, top pair. Bring us one more Patrik here."

Those two had an interesting dynamic going.
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