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1/2 KK in the cutoff 1/2 KK in the cutoff

04-06-2018 , 09:59 PM
No reads

250 dollar effective stacks

4 limp to me I raise to 16 and 6 people totall call

Flop: 10 Q 5 rainbow

Check, check, guy bets 15 I raise to 50 one person calls, original person who checked raises to 225 total guy who bets 15 folds we should? With KK
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04-06-2018 , 10:34 PM
Wow, there's a lot going on here. First off, raising to $16 seems a bit small given there are already 4 limpers by the time you raise. I'd like going to $20 a bit more here, given that the table is loose enough you somehow got 6 callers here.

Next, your flop raise is also a bit on the small side given that the pot is now over $120. I'm thinking more like $70, but there is no reason to go super huge on this relatively dry board. You've given a decent price to the person who cold called the $50, so they could have some straight draws or possibly even weaker queens.

As for the check/raiser, if this is ONLY ever 2 pair+, then this is a fold despite the good price and the possibility of a 3rd player along for the ride. If he can be doing this with AQ or worse, then it's a clear call. You gave us no reads here, so we can only guess.

One thing that's relevant is whether or not this guy is one of the blinds who flatted your preflop raise or if he's one of the limpers. If he's a limper, then we can discount QQ/TT somewhat and I lean more towards a call. If he flatted your preflop raise from the blinds, then his range could include some of those stronger hands.

There's not enough information in your post for me to really give my thoughts, but I think this is a very close spot that comes down to reads. Against more straightforward players that are unlikely to stack off light, I think I can hero fold this. Against a fishier player I'm more inclined to call this off.
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04-06-2018 , 10:39 PM
Well it looks like you have an overpair or AQ and someone just cold 3b flop vs 5 people. Unless V has proven to be an idiot then I’d fold. I’d expect QT a ton.
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04-07-2018 , 10:59 AM
pretty much an insta-muck for me. This is 2P or set almost all the time.
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04-07-2018 , 04:42 PM
Anyone else want to just flat the $15 flop bet for pot control? It's an ugly board that with 6 people calling, 2p probably already hit and there are probably 1-2 straight draws with this board.
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04-07-2018 , 04:47 PM
I'm guessing you stacked off to Q10. Fold flop champ
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04-07-2018 , 04:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedRock
Anyone else want to just flat the $15 flop bet for pot control? It's an ugly board that with 6 people calling, 2p probably already hit and there are probably 1-2 straight draws with this board.
Yep with 6 callers, this is just a "get to showdown as cheaply as possible" hand.
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04-07-2018 , 05:00 PM
I like your bet sizings. Easy fold to the flop check/3bet
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04-07-2018 , 08:21 PM
I pretty much had a plan of raise fold or bet fold on this flop and the check raise just seems so strong. It’d be sick if he was squeezing though.

I ended up folding. Only hand I can really beat is AQ and hard for him to have KJ here
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