1/2 NL, early weekday evening. Table was previously pretty lively, lots of chips exchanging hands but recently died down a bit the last couple orbits.

Villain (450) - mid 40's male, been playing fairly snug and solid although seems to have a bit of a tendency to limp/call in EP. Other then that no real reads hasn't splashed around in many pots yet

Hero (800) - early 20's male, been playing TAG for most part although been recently raising a fair share of hands in position preflop to ISO two marks on my right (not including V), although V does have a sense of what I'm up to.

On to the hand, V in UTG +1 limps, Hero raises to $15 with KK rest of table folds, V comes along for the ride.

Flop (33$) is Q98
V checks, Hero bets $20, V thinks a few seconds and calls.

Turn (73$) brings Q98 2 V leads for $45, Hero ??

I'd probably call turn and fold river. If he's never betting turn with pair+FD, then turn is a fold

+1

Looks like a call turn and reval river

That's 225bb deep

the question I'd be asking myself here is "why is V donk-betting the turn?"

limp/call oop - utg+1 - smells like a med pocket pair like 88 or 99
if he's a solid player, it seems like he's valu-betting his hand not bluffing.

If you had the Ks, I'd call. Since you don't. I'd fold.

I think folding to the turn donk bet is a bit too nitty

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Call turn.
Call most blank rivers for 1/2 PSB or less. Soul read on bets bigger than that.

Stacks are 225BB deep as he doesn't have 400BB so your stack doesn't matter.
I'd likely bey more on this flop as there are 100 draws out there. Maybe $25 or so.

Thanks for the feedback, I did end up folding turn. Thought it was bit nitty too although struggled to find a hand I beat that he would be donking into me with.
Figured best case he has a pair with a big spade, worst case drawing dead.

For sure at least a call re evaluate. If a Q or spade come off I am folding to a bet on the river. Maybe paying of a small bet that feels like a Q with a big spade. May even go for thin value on the river if checked to.

My mistake on the BB :P

call turn/fold to a river bet w/o further reads

If you were planning on calling turn as well as non spade/Q rivers, which I likely would not, then I think I'd rather raise the turn donk to like $105.

This should get a river check out of everything you beat, and lets you decide if you want to vbet or check behind. This gets hands like AsQx, Asx to put more money in and at the same time keeps you from being bluffed/bet off the best hand otr. it eliminates having to make a tough hero call, if they bet your beat. even a hand like 99 would be check/calling river after a small turn raise. so we save money against the top of his range while making the max against the middle and avoid getting bluffed by the bottom.

forgot to mention on occasion you get better, like 89s, to fold to the turn raise to.

I disagree. I like your fold and dont think its nitty. You pegged him as playing solid and smug.


Hands in his range i think could be betting turn like this with: KQ, QJ, QT
Hands in his range i think you are behind: 88,99, JT, Q9, Q8, caught the flush

Many more hands in his range i think that beat you, thats why i think mucking it like you did is a solid play and waiting for a better spot.

I agree with what hironakamara had to say.

I can think of exactly two kinds of hands you beat here: AQ with the A, or some kind of pair-gutshot hand that decided to bluff you off your hand if a spade came.

If you don't think this Villain takes this line as a semi-bluff, then I like your fold.