Villain in this hand is a very loose aggressive player in his early 20s. First hand after he sat down he raised T6s in the co over 4 limpers and stacked a fishy player after turning a flush. A little bit after that he raised k7o over 3 limpers on the button, raised a donk bet with no pair, then bet very large on turn and river after a king hit on the turn and got called by worse. He plays a lot of hands preflop for a raise, but I have yet to see him showdown a large turn or river bluff.

Hero has been playing pretty tight aggressive since villain sat down. Ive bluffed in a few small pots, but I haven't been too out of line. I also haven't made many 3 bets until this hand.

Hero has 450 and V covers.
OTTH:
Hero is in BB, UTG straddles, and UTG +1 makes it 10, there are 2 callers, V calls otb, and I make it 40 with black KK. Everyone folds, except villain, who calls.

Flop (110): T93r
I bet 65, and V calls.

Turn (240): T93 7cc
I bet 100, and V ships it in after about 5 seconds.

Hero?

With the weak flop bet his range stays so wide I think you have to puke call here.

$150 on turn; now call.

If we raise more preflop and bet the flop hard, we can just ship the turn ourselves and this all becomes academic.

$60 + $60 + $30 = $150 OTF

$120 + $120 = $390 OTT

Hero ships $270.

this. your very small sizing is inviting him to draw to a better hand or come over the top with a semi bluff. call.

bet 100 on the flop and take the hand down.

I'm guessing V doesn't expect you to fold an overpair here. Makes me want to fold. I would have bet more at every chance.

Commence beating of equestrian corpse. Sizing issue completely.

On the flop that deep stacking off with a pair on the turn is fishy and burning money.

Check the flop and try to small por ur way to the river, a cbet here is a huge invitation against that type of villain to float you or raise you and put u on an ugluly spot.

We dont give a **** if a maniac floats us when we're holding KK lol. Snap call him and see some sort of weird draw + pair.

My bad for some reason i red the flop was monotone. I would play the same and call

Agree, sizing is the issue here.
UTG straddles, next player min raises, 2 callers. Is V otb one of these two callers or is he a third caller? I guessing he's an additional caller from how this his written. So pot is like, $47 and action is on you to call $8, raise or fold.
You make it $40. That just feels small to me. You'll be OOP the entire hand, you want to charge Ax hands, etc etc. I'm surprised this hand got HU. I'd have expected more callers at this sizing.
Flop: you bet just over half pot.
Turn: you bet less than half pot.

I'd prefer more like three quarters pot OTF and bigger OTT.

As played, V has a history of making plays preflop and OTF but your estimation is that when he's aggressive OTT or OTR, he has at least top pair.
We might be beat it I'm not laying down KK to this guy in this spot.

But I also think the smallish preflop raise and the small flop bet have made this hand more difficult to play than it needs to be. Unless you were betting small to try to induce a spaz, in which case, snap call, you got him to spaz.

*grunch*

snappity snap call

U don't think the flop sizing is terrible, but preflop is ridiculously small. That's a half pot raise.

fold

At least $65 pre.

I would fold to turn raise.

Agree with small sizing being an issue. But an easier way to think of this hand is with SPR. We are HU with maniac with an overpair and SPR less than 4. Find a way to get all money in.

What are hero's stats? Forgive me for asking, but are you an old guy or a nit? I'm nitty so my 3-bets are usually interpreted as big pairs (mostly because they are about 99% of the time). Have you three bet any hands so far the session? You say not many, does that mean none?

If you bet size bigger, Villain's range looks like 8-J, set, combo draw with or without a pair.

Your bet sizing that everyone complains about makes your range look like A-K, A-Q more than K-K or A-A. So the villain's range is wider.

If this is your first 3-bet of the session and you're more nitty than TAG, I fold quickly. If it's not your first 3-bet this session, and you're younger than 35, I tank, look for a read and then probably call unhappily.

Sounds like it's all been said but the small raise pre is what's caused the problem in this hand. Bet bigger pre and your flop and turn bets are now larger and there is no mistake to be made in decision making. If he cracked kings so be it.

As played one pair hands are rarely good against a turn raise so I can't see you being ahead here even more so if you think he's putting you on the big pair. Best case scenario for you is pair and a draw.

Although for all you know is he let you bluff with the best hand as his AK suited missed where as if he had KK he would be sitting there with your stack.

I think trying to get anyone to fold an overpair in a 3b pot is pretty stupid, just doesn't happen. "Ok nice hand I call"

I think this thread demonstrated that trying to bluff a good player off of an overpair at this depth is a bad idea, and I think it's obvious that it's a bad idea to bluff a clueless player off of an overpair, but against players whose idea of being skilled at poker is playing the right hands preflop, this play works over 90% of the time ime. Nits just can't conceive of calling an over 100 bb postflop bet with 1 pair.

100% disagree. If that was the case, set mining would be useless in 3b pots.

+1 to all this. There's a raise to $10 preflop and then two callers and then you only 3bet to $40...that's way to small. Raise to atleast $55 preflop. Then the rest of the hand plays itself as outlined above.

Set mining alone is a bad strategy against folders.