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03-10-2014 , 09:44 AM

#26

GoToWar

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Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 59

DaYu: Sorry, didnt read your last post but yeah I'm glad my read was spot on

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03-10-2014 , 09:49 AM

#27

samo

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 4,251

WP. He won a bit more than the min after flopping a flush.

You can now re-eval his image. Calling this hand pre and min-CR the turn seem less than optimal. Turn could have checked through with many potential rivers halting action, if not counterfeiting.

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03-10-2014 , 10:06 AM

#28

GoToWar

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Triple post ftw. why does everyone think that villain is min-check raise bluffing OTT? This is never a bluff, always a raise for value. He obviously hates your call because you could easily have Jacks full and he's OOP. But he's probably check-calling a bet or even a shove OTR with all the money he has invested already. He's not leading river with a small flush because nothing that he beats is calling him except for the exact hand that you have, and even then, you can't call if he leads river.

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03-10-2014 , 11:02 AM

#29

refinedsugar

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 562

I totally misread V's range. Based on his pf l/c, I would have never guessed flush. On flop, my line was sole ace or maybe x9. AJ really unlikely. He played the later streets smart, small. Nice check on the river all things considered. Definitely would be making a note of the hand he shows up with at the end.

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03-10-2014 , 11:44 AM

#30

GoToWar

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DaYu, are you Chinese? Because your name means big fish in mandarin, very clever

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03-10-2014 , 02:53 PM

#31

DaYu

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,279

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Originally Posted by samo

Yea, I think there was huge value in just getting to see his hand. Also, this sparked some dialogue after the hand.

Basically, V said he is trying to avoid playing pots against me.

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Originally Posted by GoToWar

DaYu, are you Chinese? Because your name means big fish in mandarin, very clever

Nope, I'm not Chinese. But yes, DaYu means "Big fish"

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03-10-2014 , 02:58 PM

#32

Avaritia

Confirmed 2500 hour haver

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 12,248

Hand is fine.

Lol at thinking checking flop is bad tho

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03-10-2014 , 06:04 PM

#33

DaYu

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,279

What would be your reason(s) for checking flop?

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03-10-2014 , 08:09 PM

#34

Avaritia

Confirmed 2500 hour haver

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 12,248

It's very difficult to get value from anything worse and you fear zero turn cards.

I mean yea this is one of those spots you can auto bet and you probably have the best hand but also don't really care what happens but the cool thing about checking back nfd's w/sd value is no one ever believes you if the 4th

comes so you get called ridic light.

Honestly the only value I see is bc you can double barrel weak Ax but often that is such a small portion of his range

Is 1/2 your normal game? You seem like a very competent poster.

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03-11-2014 , 10:12 PM

#35

chriswt

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 224

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Originally Posted by GrindPokerAllDay

Regardless of results, I like a shove on turn because we can represent the king high flush here and the boat (since we have Ks and trip 9s) which puts a lot of pressure on flushes which I think he has the majority of the time here. Even if he isn't good enough to fold a flush you still have a ton of outs. Any Ace, King, Jack, Nine or spade.

He never has JJ here or AA here. The only reasonable full houses he can have here are A9hh and J9hh. That's it. Just 2 combinations. Tons of combinations of flushes.

Let's say we know that V is a pretty huge nit and only gets here with a range of strong 9x and medium-weak flushes. I'm completely discounting the nutted portion of his range (high flushes and FHs) because they're not checking the river. But under this assumption, how often should we turn our hand into a bluff here?

I understand repping a K high flush and boat puts a lot of pressure on our opponent, but if we're expecting him to fold all medium-weak flushes, we're absolutely not expecting him to call with weaker 9x, is there value lost in taking this line? Wondering what everybody's thoughts on this line are...