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03-29-2014 , 03:53 PM
Villain ($700): White male mid 50's. Limps an extremely wide range from all positions. Has raised a few times to 15$ and has shown JJ+ every time. I have also seen him limp AK suited when there have been multiple limpers in front of him and I have seen him limp 77 on the button with no limpers ahead of him. I have seen him double barrel but he tends to shut down on the river once he has been called. He also double barreled huge earlier with AA's and then checked the river in a clear value spot.

Hero ($300): While male early 20's TAG winning image. The table probably views me more as LAG at this point because I am the only one that is raising frequently. Villain seems to be getting frustrated with my pre flop raises as I have direct position on him and he has been folding every time I raise behind him.

Villain open limps in the hijack.
Hero raises to $11 from the cutoff with KcQc
Folds back to Villain who re-raises to $30. Hero Calls. (Pot $63)

Flop: Kd-7h-2c

Villain bets $35 Hero Calls. (Pot $133)

Turn: 10s

Villain bets 45$ hero calls (Pot $223)

River
3c

Villain checks. Hero Checks behind. Villain says king is good and mucks his hand and Hero scoops pot.

Can I ever bet this river card for value? Also is this a fold pre? This hand played out really weird pre flop which is why I stationed for two streets relatively light. I don't really see myself ever getting called by worse here on the river.
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03-29-2014 , 07:45 PM
Yeah I would fold to the 3 bet.
The board is so dry so it's going to be hard to get value from him repping a missed flush draw. The way it played out, you are playing a king face up, and knowing that he is capable of pot control, I don't think the check is bad. I might have gone for a small value bet if he's not capable of laying down qq/jj though.

On the other hand if you missed the flop, it's a pretty obv spot to bluff at the pot because you know he's not stronger than a king as 1) his history indicates that he will double barrel huge with hands like AA, and 2) his bet sizing on the turn indicates that he's pretty much done with the hand.
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03-29-2014 , 07:46 PM
i am struggling to reply to this..

Villains like this are hard to range because they limp the top of their range, and turn made hands with SDV into bluffs for no reason other than they don't know what they are doing, you just have to watch them and try to adjust. Hands with reverse implied odds, i think become even worse hands vs players like this. Hands like KQ or KJ become worse , while hands like 1010+, or any PP really, and SC's, become more valuable. If they are going to limp up AK, and then c/c three streets with top pair , you can just limp behind with all kinds of hands and play them post (and outplay them , often, without hands.. they tend to be very MUBS'y as well) .. Players like this are bad because they don't know how to get value from their hands. You will also find yourself value-owning yourself a lot of times and then thinking, how did he not RAISE me with the 2nd nuts. Against villains like this i think it is correct to be value-owning ourselves sometimes because it means you are going for max value. Villains like this almost *never* 3! bluff or c/r bluff rivers , so its really easy to b/f them to death with our value hands as well as bluff them off a lot of boards.

that said, Im not sure i would call this pre. Unless I've seen him c/r and know what kind of hands he is doing it with, KQs tends to be dominated by his c/r'ing range. On the flop/turn, his bets are so small i'd call.
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