5AM Strip poker. The table is not too good. Mostly competent play. V1 ($700) is a 30ish white male tourist playing a competent game. V2 ($220) is 30ish, vaguely Latin and a bit tighter than V1, almost an OMC type. I've ($310) been aggressive and have played a few more hands than my usual tight usual allotment of good starters but haven't shown down anything at this (new to me) table.

V1 limps UTG+1, folds to V2 in CO, he limps. Folds to me in SD and I make it $12 with JJ. Both call.

($35) 3 way flop = T 8 3 rainbow. I lead out $22. V1 mucks. V2 makes it $55 after a few moments thought. He's got roughly $160 behind. I like my hand here somewhat and don't really fear an overpair or a set of 10s. I tank for 75 seconds and decide to re-raise an amount that will more or less force V2 to push or fold so that I can fold to his push. I make it $130. My rough range for V2 is that he's got TP-G/TK about half the time and 33, 88, TT, T8s the other half of the time.

Comments please.

i'd flat flop and check fold turn unless he bets really small. i think a shove pushes out all worse hands. and i think he is unlikely to overplay AT, KT on turn if you flat flop

Spew. You're folding out worse and getting called by better

B/F flop - board texture, besides you have blockers to a straight draw so J9 much less likely. V is also ~OMC.

Sounds like your 3-bet was to "find out where you're at." If so, not a good reason to raise, tbph. You have zero fold equity.

what exactly is 'strip poker?' Poker on the vegas Strip or something else?

Call or fold. If he has you beat he's never folding to your 3bet. If he only has top pair he's probably never calling your 3bet.

Probably fold? I guess.

If you call what's your plan for the turn? If you check turn and V bets a blank are you folding or calling?

When you shove I think you are only getting called by AT KT and maybe J9 or 97 which is what you beat. I think V has 88 33 or T8 a lot in this spot.

Thanks for the lightning quick replies.

My first thought was to flat and then check turn. But after that, I have no better idea where I am in this hand and would likely call a reasonable turn bet....and prolly call again on the river. My 3 bet defines my liability on the hand and just maybe gets a call from worse.

I'll think about this some more.

Like samo said. Betting for info is not what you want to do and is very fishy thinking

You can very easily flat this bet and go into c/c mode for the Turn. I might even lead the River if he checks the Turn as a bit of a blocker bet, but c/c is probably best there too.

Based on description of V I don't blame you for 'shoving' here since you know you aren't getting one more chip out of this type of player unless he has strong hand. So you end it here by not letting him draw on 'his' terms. Is this a spew play since you know you are only getting called by better holdings? When OOP on 'these' guys I don't mind taking a pot down and possibly missing some value. These guys know you were the PF raiser and are still being aggresive so they only call with strong hands or the strongest draws ... did he really call $12 with J9/AT?

How do you have reads on them, but them not have reads on you? (new table)?

I would suggest making your opening bet larger against this type of opponent from the SB. It will better define their range of calling hands unless they think you are on a steal or something (unlikely, it's not a 3-bet).

I think you 'have' to go into c/c mode here at least on the Turn and live with the results if they hit a free card. You may be ahead, but why put chips into the pot for him if not? Let him bet out and then you evaluate, but I might fold the Turn here if all-in. This will rarely be a double barrel bluff. That is what sucks about playing against these types ... They dont pay you off and yet you dont know where you stand even with an above average hand for this board. GL

Not sure why anyone would suggest a b/f Flop secnario here without a bunch of history .. you are still drawing to top set as it's very unlikely for him to have 97 here. GL

Yes

I didn't shove. I raised an amount ($75) equal to about 45% of V2's remaining stack.

Let's say I flat the flop. He has $160 behind. Turn comes blank. I check and V2 bets $40 into the $145 pot but only with hands that beat me. AT checks back. Seems like I'll call that and I'm now committed on his river bet of up to $120 into a $225 (+ his bet) pot. And that is what I was looking to avoid.

Must think more.

Thanks again for the constructive advice.

Important thread metric: Fold PF = 0

Raise to at least 20 pre. Adding 2 red chips to these villains is nothing and raising to 20 vets their garbage hands. If villain is really old man coffee-ish then your overpair is most likely not good. You don't want to blast the pot with villains description