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03-24-2018 , 01:39 PM

BeenAWhile

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,008

Simple spot, 7 handed 1/2, all stacks roughly 100Bb

MP (joined table 1 Orbit ago, seems aggressive)
Raises to 8

CO (passive)
Flats

BU (Hero, holds JJ, probably seen as an aggressive
Raise to 35

SB (Fish at the table, passive, lose)
Calls 35

By his acting I got the impression that he liked but did not love his hand, put him on TT, AQ, AJ

BB folds

MP shoves, CU folds? Hero???

- JJ seemed to strong a flat, and the fish could easil call 35
- Raise to 35 too big
- Can we get away from JJ

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03-24-2018 , 07:00 PM

Viral25

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Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,857

Typically this should be a fold. SB possibly having AK/AQ/AJ slims down MP's range and gives us more equity vs AK, but that's just speculation at this point.
4bet shoves at 1/2 are just QQ+ way too often to stack off here.

The 3bet and sizing seem fine.

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03-24-2018 , 07:08 PM

Koss

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I can fold here pretty easily. The only way to call is if you have a reason to think he would jam AK but 4 bet smaller with AA/KK.

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03-25-2018 , 09:32 PM

Nozsr

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Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,722

My games are QQ+ against me in this situation 100%.

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03-25-2018 , 09:54 PM

johnnyBuz

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You need 37.5% equity to call off a shove. [165 / (165 + 200 + 35 + 35 + 8 + 2 + 1 - 6) = 165/440 = 37.5%

If you give him QQ+ you've got 18%. If you give him QQ+/AK you've got 36%. So even in a non-maniac best case scenario you've got a slightly -EV call off. You block JJ so he'd basically have to be showing up with TT and 99 here for your call to be +EV and that's just not the case at a generic 1/2 table.

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03-25-2018 , 11:20 PM

spikeraw22

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Folding JJ to 4 bets has made me a lot of money.

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03-25-2018 , 11:44 PM

BeenAWhile

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I ended up folding, but I questioned my 3 bet here. With QQ/AK I think we could justify calling the shove but 3bet folding JJ felt gross. I think I would flat there next time, and play it carefully postflop

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03-26-2018 , 12:51 AM

Shai Hulud

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Originally Posted by BeenAWhile

The 3 bet is fine unless you expect the raiser is on a very tight range. With JJ you want to build the pot to create a low SPR and make the hand easier to play post flop. If the raiser 4 bets it's usually an easy fold but how often do you see 4 bets at this level? If the raiser flats (the usual outcome) you know his range is capped (rarely has KK+) and can safely GII when you flop an overpair. A 3 bet also makes it way more likely you go HU and you have position. That is hugely valuable. JJ does not do as well multiway in high SPR spots compared to HU low SPR. Most 1/2 players play horribly in 3 bet pots.

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03-26-2018 , 02:10 AM

spirit123

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3-bet/fold is very standard in this spot. I hate putting 100 bb in before the flop with jacks against anybody semi-competent, unless there's a lot of aggro history, which doesn't happen at 1-2 much I think. At best it's a coin flip and at worst you're a 4-1 dog.

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