Hero jj (240) button
Villain ? (300) big blind

I had been playing at the table for about an hour, from what I could tell the Villain was an ABC player who bet when he had it and checked when he didn't. Image of hero is solid and respected.

4 limps around to me, jj on button, hero raises to 15. Bb calls, utg calls, mp calls and lp calls. Pot is 75
Flop 7 7 3

Checks around to hero on button and I bet 35, bb calls and everyone else folds.

Pot is 145 turn is 2
Bb checks and hero bets 45, I'm not sure if my sizing was correct here, my overall goal was to get value from mid pairs smaller than mine and the flush draw, I also had planned on possibly folding my jacks in case bb check raised the turn; putting him on a 7. Bb just calls, at this point I'm 100% I have the best hand and am confident I'm going to win.

Pot is 235 river is 9 for a final board of 77329. Out of nowhere villain now shoves and has me covered for around 140. My read was that I had the best hand on the turn, I feel like it's unlikely that he had missed a flush draw and was now shoving to take the pot away. I don't think he makes this play with 88 or 1010, I believe he would check these hands because of their strong showdown value. Did villain have a 7 the whole time and decide to check call check call shove river? Highly unlikely for an ABC player. Did villain just hit a 2 outter on the river worth his nines?

Tell me what you guys think you would do here

Live ABC players love to c/c flop and turn then shove river with flopped monsters. On the flop/turn they don't want to scare you away but then on the river they get worried that you'll check behind so they donk shove. It's a bit close given that the FD missed and since we're getting decent odds. Blech I'm honestly not totally sure. Do you have any history with villain? What's your image? If you're viewed as calling a lot then I'd fold. If you've laid down hands before then that might sway me toward a call.

He's repping super thin, I would expect a 7 to shove turn. I'd call it off.

Ended up calling and he showed nines full, is that a cooler that I just rack up as he got lucky and I have to call?

I like to see a bluff from an ABC player before I make a crying call.

At 1/2 I take bets for face value.

FOLD

Also, I question how "respected" a player can be after only 1 hour of play. Assuming you are 20% VPIP that means you have only played 7 hands. I don't know if 1/2 players are really respecting anyone, let alone after just an hour.

keep in mind of the relative position of your opponents
he calls pre oop with 4 people still to act
then, otf he calls next to act with 3 people behind him

Don't think you can fold here. He shouldn't have 7x when he just calls turn, and people do stupid stuff often enough that I don't think I'm folding JJ+ in this spot given odds and FD missing.

I am folding here.
Its a tough fold against some players, but I think you can make a disciplined lay down in this spot.


Is this really a bluff? Crazee A9hh? Other busted hearts or gutters? Most of players that I play with do NOT donk shove busted draws on the river.

Also
I might size differently. That also would make this less of a decision. Flop and turn bigger. You could go 60 on the flop and shove the turn, or something like 40/80/120 I guess though stacks are a little off.

I am interested to hear other comments on sizing.

For the record I would have shoved the river myself if V didn't.

I also would have shoved the river if he didn't, but I am still not so sure that we should call.

I disagree that a 7 shoves or 'stupid' happens often enough on the turn for this to be a bluff or value-own on the river for us to call. Instead of check raising turn, some villains will take this line instead.

I think Hero can call with a lot of better hands, no need to call w JJ here.

20/75/all-in
AP: fold otr.

the question you have to ask yourself what percentage of his range is 1010 88 missed flush draws here and then you can make an easy math decision.

its $140 into $380. is 30%+ percent of his range 1010 88 missed flush draws? well, you indicated hes an abc player and checks when he doesn't have it. so its pretty unlikely. i'm folding here against this specific type of player.

we can make improvements on this type of hand by sizing bigger preflop/flop/turn. you started the hand with 120bb with JJ i'm trying to get this in on the turn.

i like sizing bigger on every street

$18 PF > pot $108 with $220 ish behind
$70 Flop >
jam Turn >

you're in equity land. getting calls from 88-1010 flush draws with overs who make a bad call on the turn. he can show up with 7x or 33 meh thats just a cooler.

Yes, the sizing is absolutely atrocious. aIDS

I see a lot. Of. People here opening to 15 after 4 limpers and stuff, this is a huge leak. open to 15 after one limper. After 4, you should be opening to 20lat least and 25 is better.

Flop he bets less than half pot against multiple opponents. This is worse than bad. Did you think you were in a tournament????

And obviously river shove (and our stak) is way under pot size so folding here is a total disaster, although in llsnl we can get away from a lot of players with some reads.

But if you played. Like. A normal. Person and bet flop 3/4 and shpved turn you wouldnt be here.