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09-26-2019 , 02:05 AM
Home game. 1/2 with a $2 btn ante.

LJ I don't have too much history with but it seems he flats wide and open limps maybe 60%. Post he is sticky and will chase in position. Might bluff at spots.

CO I've seen play very solid TAG but it seems he's switched up to being loose passive tonight for whatever reason.

My image is TAG, don't think these*two guys really pay much attention to me though.

8 handed
1-2 + $2 btn ante, $300 eff stacks
Hero makes*it $12*with JcJd UTG+1 (my standard here is typically 8 but I upped it because ante tonight and people call anyways)
LJ flats
CO flats
Blinds fold

Flop: $41
3c5c7c
Hero bets $25
LJ Calls quickly
CO Call

Turn 6h*$116
Hero bets $75
LJ Calls quickly again
CO tanks for longest I've ever seen a player think then calls. Host called clock on him and he took full time.

River 8d $341
Hero checks with intention of calling?

I'm putting LJ on missed AcX or KcX that he might bluff with. It seems to me that CO was agonizing over a weak pair and/or draw situation and was thinking if his outs are clean or pair good cuz LJ kept making the price sweet for him. I just don't see worse paying off... and if CO bets big or raises I'll be pretty sure he got there or was Hollywooding the turn.

Comments on sizing and all streets welcome.
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09-26-2019 , 05:06 AM
A4, 98 are on both players range. They also have alot of flush slowplayed as you described and 2ps.

I’m Xing turn. The 6 is bad.
If you think you have value vs 88-99 we can bet, but I’m making it 1/2pot or even less. I would be folding to a raise.

AP river is tricky. We have QQ+ to call.
Could make a call vs a 1/2pot, but think I’m folding vs a JAM.

The mistake is OTT imo.
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09-26-2019 , 06:40 AM
Never ever betting the turn. There's 4 to a straight out there vs 2 players. JJ is a check/fold unless they bet like $20.
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09-26-2019 , 08:13 AM
Flop - size up for value vs. FD and OP.

Turn - shouldn't be many 4X hands in opponent flop calling ranges on a monochrome board. Smaller sizing, fold to a raise.

River - I'd fold to a reasonably sized bet. 99 and Ad9X are hands that got there, besides the tendency for under-bluffing multi-way.
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09-26-2019 , 10:22 AM
A4 and 89 I'm not too sure how often these hands see turns. Ac4c or Ac4r peels for sure so that's 1+3=4 combos (slowplayed Ac4c plays like this so putting it in range). Other than 9c8c I think we have to discount 98o calling pre and 98s not c calling the flop heavily. Let's say 2 98s combos.

6ish discounted combos got straights while 88-TT, AcXr, KcXr, and QcTr are all likely paying again.

I think I definitely shouldn't use large sizing on turn because I'm raised a fair amount by slow plays and the 6 combos that turned a straight or a set that was waiting for a non club turn, but I'm not sure it's a slam dunk check.

Yes river my plan is call to small fold to big from these guys.
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09-26-2019 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
A4 and 89 I'm not too sure how often these hands see turns. Ac4c or Ac4r peels for sure so that's 1+3=4 combos (slowplayed Ac4c plays like this so putting it in range). Other than 9c8c I think we have to discount 98o calling pre and 98s not c calling the flop heavily. Let's say 2 98s combos.
Ac4c/9c8c are already there on the flop. I'd underweight Ac4x calling pre, idk.
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09-26-2019 , 01:21 PM
Shut down ott. Pre and flop acceptable.
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09-26-2019 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by samo
Ac4c/9c8c are already there on the flop. I'd underweight Ac4x calling pre, idk.
Yes. I was discussing it as if those hands slowplayed instead of raising flop. Ac4r might be in LJ range, he could calls loose enough. It's not in COs range.
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09-28-2019 , 02:06 PM
[spoiler] I check river. LJ bets $80, CO rage mucks. I call. LJ shows Ac8x for rivered pair. As I'm taking it down CO claims he had 99. LJ and I tell him he rivered a straight... He didn't seem to believe us.[/spoiler]
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09-28-2019 , 02:32 PM
Huge mistakes made by all 3 players.

I would change my read of HJ and CO to fish.
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09-28-2019 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mikko
Huge mistakes made by all 3 players.

I would change my read of HJ and CO to fish.
On turn I'm amenable to checking, but river this is exactly what I put LJ on (missed one card flush draw) and why check/called. Could you articulate my river mistake in more detail please?
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09-28-2019 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
On turn I'm amenable to checking, but river this is exactly what I put LJ on (missed one card flush draw) and why check/called. Could you articulate my river mistake in more detail please?
Your bet on turn is bad IMO. So many times you are just lighting money on fire. 4 straight and flush already came home. Plus multiple combos of 2 pair and sets. Check folding turn would be completely fine IMO. Your bloating pot even more with another street to play.

You are targeting such a small range on turn.

River his sizing is bad, allowing you to hero call. Except you don't really have any reason or reads to do so.
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09-29-2019 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
Home game. 1/2 with a $2 btn ante.

LJ I don't have too much history with but it seems he flats wide and open limps maybe 60%. Post he is sticky and will chase in position. Might bluff at spots.

CO I've seen play very solid TAG but it seems he's switched up to being loose passive tonight for whatever reason.

My image is TAG, don't think these*two guys really pay much attention to me though.

8 handed
1-2 + $2 btn ante, $300 eff stacks
Hero makes*it $12*with JcJd UTG+1 (my standard here is typically 8 but I upped it because ante tonight and people call anyways)
LJ flats
CO flats
Blinds fold

Flop: $41
3c5c7c
Hero bets $25
LJ Calls quickly
CO Call

Turn 6h*$116
Hero bets $75
LJ Calls quickly again
CO tanks for longest I've ever seen a player think then calls. Host called clock on him and he took full time.

River 8d $341
Hero checks with intention of calling?

I'm putting LJ on missed AcX or KcX that he might bluff with. It seems to me that CO was agonizing over a weak pair and/or draw situation and was thinking if his outs are clean or pair good cuz LJ kept making the price sweet for him. I just don't see worse paying off... and if CO bets big or raises I'll be pretty sure he got there or was Hollywooding the turn.

Comments on sizing and all streets welcome.

Preflop: cool

Flop: bet bigger. Or even check. See what a turn brings.

Turn: this isn’t a good turn for us. Straights get there. Two pairs get there. Flushes have been there. This is way too big of a pot for one pair.

River: id check fold. It’s a big ask to think one will turn a pair into a bluff here

Edit: when he bets a stupid size like that on the river and we can call closing the action, then calling seems ok actually.

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09-29-2019 , 08:47 AM
I would probably check the turn. Otr I don’t think either player is going to be bluffing very frequently, especially not CO after tanking so long on turn. I also think I saw a post that said something like call a small bet but fold to a big one. That won’t work well in this spot as many players (especially in the LJs position) will bet small with a one card straight/two pair type of hand.
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