Have not played with villian 1. One orbit in he has played almost every hand - vpiping way too high. Villian 2 in the hand plays passively, haven't had a chance to see any of his showdowns. He seems balanced though. We have everyone outchipped.

OTTH

OR raiser ($150) opens for 8, hj flats I repop to $36.

Villain 2 ($375) flats in sb, OR ships, hj folds

Pot is 240 and it's $125 to call.

Thoughts on call/raise/fold?

This is close. I lean fold, based on assumption v2 has a strong range and calls most of the time.

If v2 is calling too wide, much easier call v. Agro villain for only 75bb stack.

Has villain 1 been playing hands by raising himself or has been a limp/calling?

If V1 has been playing every hand aggressively then I'm going with a call. He should have enough AK and bluff shoves in his range for it to be profitable. If V1 has been passive up until this point then fold, his raise/shove range will be QQ+ heavy.

I'm assuming V2's range for flatting your range out of the SB is strong but doesn't beat you a lot.

This is a rather guesswork situation though because you don't have a good read on V1 or V2. Your straight odds are good but this sort of action at 1/2 tends to be bad for JJ against generic unknown villains. With better reads this is easy to push into being an easy fold or easy call.

It's close.

My usual would be to think that a 4-bet at 1/2 is default AA/KK unless we have evidence otherwise. The fact that he's slightly shortstacked means QQ+ and AK might be in the default range.

Without doing the Math, I would think if his range is AA/KK range this is a fold and if it's QQ+, AKo+ it's a marginal call.

Given that and we have V2 behind us, I probably just fold and let him have it.

I reshipped. SB called with QQ and OR had KK.

I didn't bink :[