Table is fairly loose-passive with lots of limpers pre-flop and when there is a raise many call with pots often going 5 or 6 way.

V1 ($250): 45ish heavy set Mexican guy with bandana. Horrible player. Prides himself on "not being scared and letting people bet him off of pots" even though there's not much aggression at the table. When he bets himself it seems like he's just pushing buttons as he's bet a bunch in spots where no worse hand would call and most better hands would call.

V2 ($200): 35ish white reg, mediocre LAG for 1/2, probably playing 65% of hands, raising pre-flop 20% of the time and straddles whenever possible. In the 1.5 hours he and I have been at the table together, I've seen him 3-bet 4 or 5 times (only hands he showed down were TT and AA). Seems to view hero somewhere between TAG and nitty.

V3 ($500): 35ish phillino reg, fairly loose passive pre-flop, seen him play his draws aggressively post-flop. Not a horrible player but not great either.

Hero ($375): 30ish white guy, I've raised pre-flop more than the average person at the table and taken some pots down with c-bets, but haven't continued to many turns and rivers and I haven't had to show many hands. Been a bit card dead and most of the table probably sees me as TAG/nit.

OTTH... Hero raises $10 UTG w/ JJ V3 calls UTG+1, folds to V1 in SB who calls, V2 in BB raises to $45.

Is it too nitty to fold here? Based on the way the table and these players have played, V3 will probably call (and def not raise) and V1 will almost certainly call. If I had to range V2, I'd say 99+, AK, AQs.

Call.

Posistion and stack sizes make this awkward. Flatting will probably leave you going 4 ways to the flop with an SPR < 2 and having to act right after the preflop raiser. Raising commits you to the pot. V2 may be somewhat laggy but he doesn't sound super aggressive about 3 betting and he is doing it out of the BB.

I would shove or fold. This is make a read and go with it situation.

Def too nitty to fold. You say v2 has 3bet 4 or 5 times in 90 mins... so about 10% of hands - and this is a clear squeeze spot. Our only decision is to raise or call. The trouble with calling is that you will probably bring the whole gang to the party.... and you are simply not going to know where you are post flop. I think I'm more inclined to 4 bet. This will likely fold out the field...(if you are called by v2 - you probably are a little under 50/50 - but the dead money makes up for the missing equity.).

He's 3betting about 10% of the time in total at a passive table where it likely has been limped through quite a bit. His 3bet range is trash. Jacks are best played has a medium pair or a big pair. You're getting 5:1 to call given the other two villains will call. The SPR will be so low that TP is stacking off, so you're getting odds to set mine. I'd call. If you're not sure the other villains will call, I like a 4bet better. Never folding in this situation.

Okay so from the small sample size I have looks like folding<raising=calling...

Hero calls $45 w/ JJ. As expected, V3 calls, V1 calls.

Flop ($175): 7910 V1 checks, V2 shoves $155.

Hero???

I'm obviously getting pretty decent odds, but it's tough to imagine a hand he has where I'm ahead. Best case scenario is V2 having JJ+ w/o a diamond or AKdx. Worst case scenario (in my mind) would be QQ+ w/ a diamond. I think he would bet smaller AKdd or AQdd.

is he felting AK/AQ?

If not there is probably enough dead money to warrant a 4b here

pretty good flop vs wide 3 bet range - looks like a call to me. You can't call pre - get a flop this good and fold can we? We aren't in bad good shape if he has AA no diamond.

Part of thinking about what to do pf is to follow through with it on the flop. We went in looking to set mine. We missed. This is a horrible flop for our holding. We beat one pair above 66s and even then, he's got a straight draw. While he's been playing crap pf, he's been going to show down with solid hands. We're praying for a bluff into 3 other people. I let this one go.

Huh? A horrible flop for your holding? No. You do see we have the JdJx on Td9d7d, yeah?

OP, don't even consider folding.

Even against an absurdly strong/narrow range of JJ+, we are only a ~1.5:1 dog.

Obviously the pot lays us > 2:1 to call.

So clearly a super snap call.

And just as a side point, but if V does have 88, then, uh, yeah... I guess he would have a "straight draw" - but we block 2 J's, the 6d is no good, and we have all sorts of re-draws. We're actually better than a 4:1 favorite vs. 88.

I gotta say that folding would be bonkers.

I'd 4bet pre against described Villain. AP, shove flop, we should be in great shape against V2 range.

Really not liking where we are on the flop... Not so much against the raiser - but now we have 2 behind us that definitely have better FD's ahead of us. I figure our equity against the OR to be in the area of 40%... (TT+ and all AK with Ad) clearly a call if we're heads up. Honestly I'm undecided with the other two. And if we call we're clearly giving both other villains almost a freeroll to the rest of our stack.

Super sick spots all around. Your pot odds and implied odds barely justify calling the 3-bet PF.

I'd let it go. I always remember what Bobby Hoff said about calling a 3-bet. This one is close though.

AP, no choice but to move in. Folding OTF is bad poker IMO.

?? There is no dead money PF; all active players are still active.

First thought was to autoshove PF as JJ is just the nuts against a guy playing near 65% of hands. But on second thought, his sizing is valuey and his 3 bet range is likely much more traditional (in general and with HH) to the point where your equity when a shove is called is tepid. But again, calling and going 3-4 to the flop means you're just folding 80%+ of the time...

Maybe it's gameflow dependent too, why does the guy only have $250?

...just shove it. The players behind prob fold everything but KK+ which is unlikely to begin with and V2 is calling off his whole 3b range that shallow.

AP just reshove to ISO V2s range with which you're flipping.

Overpair and inside straight flush draw on the flop with the short stack already in? Trivial snap shove IMO.

Can't fold now.

On the flop:

The preflop 3-bettor here shoved $155 into $175 on Td9d7d 4-way. He has to have a hand. He is never shoving AK/AQ without a diamond here. Why do we figure we're way ahead of his range?

Against a range of pairs 77+, AK/AQ with 1 diamond, and made flushes, our equity is 34%. Against the PFR alone, our pot odds are 32%, so it a very close call, but considering that there are 2 players left to act, in particular V3 who hasn't taken any action and covers us for another $175 on top of this, it's even closer.

It's probably not a fold, but it's extremely close. Why do people think this is an easy snap shove?

It's not easy because of the other two players. Re-read op tho. Your range for the shover is way too Tight.

I did read OP. His preflop 3-betting range is wide yes, but his cbet shoving range of 90% pot into 3 players on T97 monotone isn't.

Edit: I guess you can add top pairs into his range, which makes this lean towards call, but still I wouldn't fistpump over it like some others here.

board: td9d7d
Hand Equity Wins Ties
jdjc 56.22% 41,148 1,194
66+, Adx 43.78% 31,908 1,194


If that is his range you almost have to call.

Narrow it down if you want - even still you aren't in terrible shape

I included made flushes *d*d, and did not assume he would 3bet A2-ATo, hence his single-diamond flush draws also consisted of 2 overs vs us, and together with pocket pairs, put us in far worse shape. But yes, if our read is that he 3bets super wide OOP multi-way, then he would have more offsuit hands and top pairs in this particular flop shoving range which we beat.

In a nutshell, if you think his big blind OOP 3betting range is so wide that it consists of a lot of tens (whether suited or offsuit) and offsuit Ace-X lower than AQ, call, because he would shove top pair or bare Ad on this flop. If you think his 3betting range is strong and consists mainly of 66+, KQ+, and suited Ace-X, then it's much closer with 2 players to act.

This equity calculation is not correct.

You're doing something wrong.

Hero: JdJh
Villain: 77+, AKdx and xd, AQdx and xd, AdKd, AdQd
Flop: Td9d7d

Hero has a whopping 48% equity vs villain in that scenario.

Ah I see; it IS 34% if you give villain LITERALLY every single possible made flush.

But villain doesn't have every possible made flush (i.e. he doesn't 3-bet Qd2d). And yet... if he did... it's still a pretty clear call with hero getting > 2:1 on the call!

That just goes to show the extent to which this hand is indeed just a snap call.

http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...7%2B&s=generic

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Oh, right. My bad. There's still 2 others behind, but they could have any two cards, and just fold. Plus villain is a wide 3-bettor who could have Tx in his range.