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01-26-2016 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wealth$



The dude looked like he hadn't showered in 5 days and had dirty fingers and fingernails and raggedy clothes. Could he be well-off financially? Possible but very unlikely...


Where I come from these are called "regs"
01-26-2016 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Below Zero
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To be honest with you, you really seem more set on showing people here that you know poker and not learning something and taking advice and criticism effectively. I'm not saying I know everything but about poker but this is my two cents.

I'm not set on anything besides finding the best way to play a certain situation. Now given the fact that there is never only 1 correct way, when somebody is giving me advice, the first thing I do is explore the other side of the coin.

This is what I do with everything in life. I don't just take what people are saying at face value and automatically assume what they are saying is gospel.

The first thing I do is explore in my mind why they are saying to do this here or that play there. Why are they recommending to do this in that spot? Is this really ideal or do they just think it is because that's what they were told and they want to follow the herd?

So ya, I understand that because I don't just take what people say and agree with it, that I may come off that way but it's not what I'm trying to accomplish.

Really what I'm doing is called critical thinking. And it's how intelligent, deep discussions are seeded.

The thing is, is that there's never only one ideal way to play a hand against a certain opponent. So if somebody is saying you should have done x and you don't ask yourself, why do they think this? Is it really correct? What if I did y, instead of x? Well if they are an open minded individual, they will be happy to explore other options that they may not have thought about in the first place.

So that's just me, when somebody says to do something, the first thing I do is explore the other side. I want to learn why they are saying it and if in fact it is the only ideal way. And is actually the exact opposite of what they are recommending to do actually a better option after further analysis?

I'm here to learn and again acknowledge I have a lot to learn.

The advice you gave to go read a book and that I don't understand stack sizes was useless with no evidence backing the statement. So if that is the kind of criticism you want to provide then your welcome to take your 2 cents elsewhere. Just look for my name and avoid it if I created the thread. And again, I appreciate everybody's time and input.

Last edited by Wealth$; 01-26-2016 at 07:53 PM.
01-26-2016 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Wealth$
Just look for my name and avoid it if I created the thread.
Done!
01-26-2016 , 11:36 PM
Guys, disagreement is a good thing. If we all agreed on everything poker would not be worth playing (at least for me). Even if OP is wrong about something, he learns more by asking questions than shutting up and accepting advice blindly, and we learn more by being forced to explain ourselves. There's a point where arguments stop going anywhere and become a waste of time, but then you can just respectfully bow out.

OP, I get the impression that you think a 100BB stack can "bully" others where a 30BB stack can not when effective stacks are only 30BB. Is this true or did you mean something different? If it's true then can you explain why you think this?

I don't know if this applies to you, but be careful disrespecting your opponents quietly to yourself. This can lead to entitlement tilt. I used to have a leak where I would feel compelled to push people around in bad spots because I thought I was better than them, which I was, but I was pushing a bit too hard and would occasionally spew.
01-27-2016 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wealth$
I'm not set on anything besides finding the best way to play a certain situation. Now given the fact that there is never only 1 correct way, when somebody is giving me advice, the first thing I do is explore the other side of the coin.

This is what I do with everything in life. I don't just take what people are saying at face value and automatically assume what they are saying is gospel.

The first thing I do is explore in my mind why they are saying to do this here or that play there. Why are they recommending to do this in that spot? Is this really ideal or do they just think it is because that's what they were told and they want to follow the herd?

So ya, I understand that because I don't just take what people say and agree with it, that I may come off that way but it's not what I'm trying to accomplish.

Really what I'm doing is called critical thinking. And it's how intelligent, deep discussions are seeded.

The thing is, is that there's never only one ideal way to play a hand against a certain opponent. So if somebody is saying you should have done x and you don't ask yourself, why do they think this? Is it really correct? What if I did y, instead of x? Well if they are an open minded individual, they will be happy to explore other options that they may not have thought about in the first place.

So that's just me, when somebody says to do something, the first thing I do is explore the other side. I want to learn why they are saying it and if in fact it is the only ideal way. And is actually the exact opposite of what they are recommending to do actually a better option after further analysis?

I'm here to learn and again acknowledge I have a lot to learn.

The advice you gave to go read a book and that I don't understand stack sizes was useless with no evidence backing the statement. So if that is the kind of criticism you want to provide then your welcome to take your 2 cents elsewhere. Just look for my name and avoid it if I created the thread. And again, I appreciate everybody's time and input.
lots of words but the reality is that this is a pretty trivial spot that you somehow folded the flop on. Hopefully next time you won't be afraid to lose a pot and think through the variables (although you don't really need to think too much here)
01-27-2016 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Wealth$
I guess mentally once I get up over 1K it's easier for me to leave. But this probably won't happen basically ever playing 1/2 50BB cap, so I need to make some mental adjustments.
fyp
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Originally Posted by Wealth$
Here's pic of stack around $380. I ran it up from $38.
Especially if you are buying in for even less. Nobody makes money long term in 20BB games at LA rake. The Bike has (or at least used to) 100BB cap 2/3. If you can't afford 2/5, get to that game. This is just a rake trap.

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Originally Posted by Wealth$
The other thing to keep in mind here on why I wanted to stay is the buy-ins are between 20-50BB's. So if I have 100BB's + I can really bully everybody at the table and put them in marginal spots for all their chips, as they will be pot committed fairly quickly, especially if I start raising bigger pre which is what I was doing.
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Originally Posted by Below Zero
OP, unfortunately you don't understand the concept of stack sizes in cash games. I would suggest reading Professional No Limit Holdem by Matt Flynn, Sunny Mehta, and Ed Miller.
I know you didn't like to hear it, but this is 100% the correct answer. Only effective stacks matter in cash games, especially silly loose short stacked ones.
01-27-2016 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Wealth$
I've played sports my whole life, so when I am competing, my natural instinct is to think I'm better than my opponent.
So when you were playing sports your whole life, was it commonplace for you to point out your opponents flaws/attempt to help them get better mid game????

As for the hand, 3betting 1/3 of your stack and folding OTF is terrible. If that's your "A game", I'd seriously listen to the advice from some of the old heads in here's how have given very informative responses
01-27-2016 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot

As for the hand, 3betting 1/3 of your stack and folding OTF is terrible. If that's your "A game", I'd seriously listen to the advice from some of the old heads in here's how have given very informative responses
That's obviously not my A game, it was a mistake I made while I was playing my A game in an 8 hour session.

You don't make mistakes during long sessions when you feel as though you are playing your best?

I am definitely soaking the advice up like a sponge, and appreciate the informative ones.

I know this hand was played badly and that's why I came on here to post it. Not necessary to pour salt in the wounds. It bothered me enough that I was thinking about it for a couple days. The big mistake I made was not thinking about how much was in the pot, how much it was for me to call, my SPR and how the 3bet pre would commit me to the pot. And coming on here helped me realize I need to do a better job of thinking about these things.

I understand the concept of effective stack sizes, but given the fact I was playing aggressively and getting people to fold I felt as though my big stack played a role in that as some type of intimidation factor.
01-28-2016 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Wealth$
My image at the table is tight aggressive. Haven't made any bluffs and just playing TAG to get paid by the donkey. About flat heading into this hand. Here we go:
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Originally Posted by Wealth$
I was make it bigger pre - between $15-$20 and getting callers because my image was laggy.
Aside from this your thought process is completely disjointed and does not make a ton of sense my friend. This coupled with playing a game where the rake is going to eat you for breakfast lunch and dinner is a recepie for losing
01-28-2016 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by squid face
Aside from this your thought process is completely disjointed and does not make a ton of sense my friend. This coupled with playing a game where the rake is going to eat you for breakfast lunch and dinner is a recepie for losing
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01-28-2016 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by squid face
Aside from this your thought process is completely disjointed and does not make a ton of sense my friend. This coupled with playing a game where the rake is going to eat you for breakfast lunch and dinner is a recepie for losing
My image was LAGGY at the first table, which I played at the majority of the night.

Once I moved to the new table with DK, my image was TAG, I only played at the table with DK (where I had TAG image) for like 4 orbits before I left.

I did state in my first post I had switched tables.....

Last edited by Wealth$; 01-28-2016 at 07:18 PM.
01-28-2016 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by squid face
This coupled with playing a game where the rake is going to eat you for breakfast lunch and dinner is a recepie for losing
This is true, I actually checked the rake and it was $4 a pot for 7 or more people at table. That's really high for a game like this right? I never actually paid attention to rake in any live game except for this one, because I never played stakes this low live and was wondering how big the rake was at the lowest stake.

I mainly went there to play the 12K GTD $60 buy-in tournament, busted out with AQ and decided to play this cash game for a bit before I left. Normally I will be playing 5/5 $500 buy-in once my BR is where it needs to be.
01-28-2016 , 07:39 PM
as played, you really have no idea what to put him on. He obviously has SOME equity, but we have no idea if he has a K or not. this is just a huge variance spot with such little information about if he actually has us beat or not, so I would fold and let him scoop the 20$ side pot and not worry about it.

but I definately would have made it 80 or 85 pre and then shoved any flop. these type of dudes just want to gamble, so when you get a premium like QQ, you have to find a way to GII on the flop. problem with this hand is that the all in kills a lot of the dead money and we are in a -EV spot where I have no trouble finding a fold.
01-28-2016 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Wealth$


Here's pic of stack around $380. I ran it up from $38. Those are all $20 stacks except front right =). I didn't even think it was that big, but one reg complimented, "That's the biggest stack I've seen in a long time." I told him to get used to it, I would be playing here more frequently.
make that many stacks with 25$ chips in a 5/10 game and then get back to me
01-28-2016 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Wealth$

I understand the concept of effective stack sizes, but given the fact I was playing aggressively and getting people to fold I felt as though my big stack played a role in that as some type of intimidation factor.
I know you are a beginner but in this sentence you actually show that you don't understand effective stack sizes in cash games even though you think you do. Post more hands, think about your leaks and don't be afraid to admit you don't fully understand a certain concept. You'll grow as a player much quicker
01-28-2016 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious
make that many stacks with 25$ chips in a 5/10 game and then get back to me
That's my goal eventually. Can you post one in here for me. Need to show it to my mind. I've had stacks of $5 chips like that, never 25 yet though
01-29-2016 , 01:19 AM
TTHRIC. We're not going to turn it in to a blog. Chipstack thread is here.
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