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1/2:  AT, I river two pair and get raised 1/2:  AT, I river two pair and get raised

03-11-2014 , 01:02 AM
Villain is a middle aged asian who I have a decent amount of history with. He'll def gamble it up and is capable of bluffing in weird spots

hero is seen as solid and on the tighter side to villain


$1/$2 8 handed
raiser $200
hero MP $400+
villain MP $400+
BB $200

raiser opens in EP to $7, I call with AT, villain calls, BB calls.

Flop($29)J2T
check, check, check, villain bets $12, folds, I call

Turn($53)J2T5
check, check

River($53)J2T5 A
hero bets $15, villain raises to $60, hero....

I would assume villain double barrels KQ and AJ

If we raise can villain call with anything that beats us, I can't really imagine a fold here.

Call, fold, or raise?
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03-11-2014 , 02:45 AM
Fold pre. Bet larger on the river. 3 betting the river would be over playing your hand imo. Can't see folding though given price and description of villain.
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03-11-2014 , 02:52 AM
Against this V I don't mind the call pre with AT however, we just have to look out for RIO and not overplay our hand if just an ace comes on the flop. On the river, I get the small bet to try and get value from smaller pairs and just 10x; but I'd make it around $25-30. As played, this is an easy call considering V could be turning his hand into a bluff and it would be pretty weird for V to do this with AJ when he just checked the turn. I think a raise here would fold out anything worse and just get calls from better hands. Again, the only real value hand is KQ V has here which is a small % of his range.
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03-11-2014 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by shrewsbury91
Against this V I don't mind the call pre with AT
Villain in the hand wasn't the initial preflop raiser. Villain in the hand (as well as other players) is still left to act after we call the preflop raise.
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03-11-2014 , 03:06 AM
$7 seems small preflop ... i usually 3-bet weak stuff like that.

as played, i am calling the river ... i don't love it, but i call.
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03-11-2014 , 03:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tucco
Villain in the hand wasn't the initial preflop raiser. Villain in the hand (as well as other players) is still left to act after we call the preflop raise.
My bad, its getting late on the east coast . That case, I agree with you unless the table is especially loose(which is probably not the case).
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03-11-2014 , 03:49 PM
I agree, raising the river is probably an over play. Well anyways, I called and he had the 34, lol.
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03-11-2014 , 10:24 PM
I'd probably call and expect to lose most of the time, his hand really looks like a straight but it could also be a bluff or a smaller two pair
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03-11-2014 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BenzY
I'd probably call and expect to lose most of the time, his hand really looks like a straight but it could also be a bluff or a smaller two pair
What is beating me? like I said earlier, can't we rule out aj and kq?

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03-11-2014 , 11:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by h_ven
What is beating me? like I said earlier, can't we rule out aj and kq?

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I agree we can rule out AJ but I am not so sure about KQ

V could double barrel KQ but it would also make sense to check KQ in this spot
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03-12-2014 , 12:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenzY
I agree we can rule out AJ but I am not so sure about KQ

V could double barrel KQ but it would also make sense to check KQ in this spot
Yeah its def player dependant.
It's so lol he showed the 34 though

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03-12-2014 , 01:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by h_ven
Villain is a middle aged asian who I have a decent amount of history with. He'll def gamble it up and is capable of bluffing in weird spots

hero is seen as solid and on the tighter side to villain


$1/$2 8 handed
raiser $200
hero MP $400+
villain MP $400+
BB $200

raiser opens in EP to $7, I call with AT, villain calls, BB calls.

Flop($29)J2T
check, check, check, villain bets $12, folds, I call

Turn($53)J2T5
check, check

River($53)J2T5 A
hero bets $15, villain raises to $60, hero....

I would assume villain double barrels KQ and AJ

If we raise can villain call with anything that beats us, I can't really imagine a fold here.

Call, fold, or raise?
It's a crying call.
If you had bet the turn - we could have gotten a better idea on whether V has JT, 22 or KQ.
V could also have A5. I know that's very unlikely, but damn have I seen runner, runner happen a LOT!
Even though you "saved' money on not betting the turn - the beauty of NL is a player can make that up on the river.
I call - but expect V to show up with 2 pair, a set or a str8.
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03-12-2014 , 04:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by h_ven
I would assume villain double barrels KQ and AJ
I wouldn't assume that.

Anyways your bet on the river is horrible. $15? LoL Do you understand how much value you are throwing away there? You should be betting the river 2/3rds pot or more and folding to a raise.

BTW, fold pre and fold flop. Just a poorly played hand from start to finish.
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03-12-2014 , 07:13 AM
Hey,

Calling with ATo an EP opener at a 8 handed is EV-
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