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12-18-2015 , 12:03 AM
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(BB) Hero $375: AA
(UTG+2) Villain I $600:
(Cutoff) Villain II $700:
^Very loose action table both v's are bad in general

Preflop: 3 limps in Ep, V2 makes it 15, Hero makes it 45, V1 limp-cold calls 45, V2 calls (3-way to the flop, Pot = 135)

Flop, Pot = 135
4T4
Hero x, V1 x, V2 x

Turn, Pot = 135
T
Hero x, V1 x, V2 bets 65, Hero calls 65, V1 calls 65

River, Pot = 330
2
Hero x, V1 x, V2 bets 100, Hero calls 100, V1 x-shoves for the rest of his stack, Hero-folds


(Hijack) Hero $515: AA
(UTG+2) Villain I $450: Fit-or-fold semi-solid
(MP) Villain II $425:

Preflop: 3 limps, Villain II makes it 15, Hero calls 15, blinds call 15, 3 other limpers call 15 (7-way to the flop, Pot = 105)

Flop, Pot = 105
933
Checked to hero, Hero bets 55, everyone else folds except V1, V1 calls 55 (HU to the turn)

Turn, Pot = 215
9
V1 x, Hero x

River, Pot = 215
2
V1 bets 60, Hero tank-folds... (i thought he would x-call with all his pair hands to try to induce bluffs from me can he really be betting worse here i can have 44-88? lmao i fked up)
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12-18-2015 , 12:18 AM
Hand 1 - SPR is 2.5:1. We should bet flop about $100 to set up turn shove.

Hand 2 - 3-bet pre. Going 7-way in a pot when everyone is getting odds to crack your aces is awful. As played I bet flop a bit bigger. Turn check is fine and river is a call given his sizing. He can have a lot of pocket pairs that think they're good against two overs but don't want to have to hero call a bluff. Can also have diamonds that he bluffs on River. If you're good 20% of the time you make money on River call.
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12-18-2015 , 09:12 AM
Hand 1: Your in the blinds against two very loose opponents. Raise to $60 or so. In any case, bet the flop. Don't try to trap with a single pair, they get beat by the river too often.

Hand 2: Reraise preflop. You don't want aces going into a family pot. Bet flop a bit bigger, $65 or so. Turn check is good when one of the worst cards for you hits. River is a standard crying call. Your beat a lot but you so under played your hand that you have to pay off unless you know villain is never betting a weaker hand.
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12-18-2015 , 09:56 AM
hand #1 never folding getting over 4:1 where all I have to call is 170. only real hand that I am scared of is 22. Lots of times V1 is going to be shoving with A high to get his opponents off of a chop.
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12-18-2015 , 02:49 PM
Key to hand 2 is you need to be 3-betting pre with a high enough frequency that you can 3! here and not have the rest of the table put you on AA / KK only. Then you 3! Makes the rest of this hand much easier to play, yet without being completely face up.
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12-18-2015 , 03:12 PM
Hand 1:

PFR is too small. Isolate V2 with a bigger 3bet, 60-65.
Checking the flop is weak. theres plenty of hands that you beat that are calling a bet here, and i'm not giving a free card to weaker pocket pairs.

Hand 2:

Never flatting AA pre with 3 limpers and a raise.

How can you fold OTR on a board with which you should be looking for 3 streets of value?

Last edited by sewktbk; 12-18-2015 at 03:39 PM.
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12-18-2015 , 03:16 PM
I mean zero offense, but I think these hands are both played terribly.

H1: 3 bet more pre, bet flop. See no reason to check on this board, we should be looking to get stacks in asap.

H2: Woof. 3b pre, as played bet flop more, turn check is literally the only thing I like in this hand. As played call river, he can have almost anything since you've played so incredibly passively.
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12-18-2015 , 03:57 PM
I cringed reading these.

Hand 1: Great preflop. Bet $100 on the flop then shove turn. Checking after 3! when you act first is so suspicious. Did you want to c/r? You won't get other players to bet into you very often. I can see calling the turn because you really have a bluff catcher. Fold the river after two players called the turn.

Hand 2: Calling in the HJ with a raise and 3 limps in front of you almost always causes a cascade of callers. Easy 3! preflop. Fine bet on the flop and good check on the turn. River is an instacall. Very different situation than hand 1 because you're getting good odds to bluff catch and you're only against one opponent who hasn't bet or raised until the river.

Seriously. I'm in pain.
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12-18-2015 , 08:26 PM
play AA like its AA. Every time. Then, pick some hands that aren't AA and play them the same way. AA is now hidden.
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12-18-2015 , 09:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtagliaf
play AA like its AA. Every time. Then, pick some hands that aren't AA and play them the same way. AA is now hidden.
I endorse this post.
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12-18-2015 , 11:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtagliaf
play AA like its AA. Every time. Then, pick some hands that aren't AA and play them the same way. AA is now hidden.
or, play AA like its AA. then, pick some hands that arenŽt AA and play them differently. hidden or not, no one cares anyway, if they want to see a flop, turn or river, they will.
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12-19-2015 , 02:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MIB211
Hand 1 - SPR is 2.5:1. We should bet flop about $100 to set up turn shove.
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Originally Posted by Nice_Guy_Eddie
Hand 1: Great preflop. Bet $100 on the flop then shove turn.
Why are we not planning to GII over three streets? Our opponents either have two outs or they are absolutely crushing us.

IŽd take that kind of line if I had say two overs and the NFD and wanted maximum fold equity.
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12-19-2015 , 02:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtagliaf
play AA like its AA. Every time. Then, pick some hands that aren't AA and play them the same way. AA is now hidden.
TY, Merry Christmas lol
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12-19-2015 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
Why are we not planning to GII over three streets? Our opponents either have two outs or they are absolutely crushing us.

IŽd take that kind of line if I had say two overs and the NFD and wanted maximum fold equity.
SPR is less than 2.5 and the hand is 3-way. A 2/3 pot cbet with one caller leaves hero with only about a 2/3 pot shove.

I can see stringing it out HU, if the top card was a K, and/or against a complete station. Top pair is likely to change by the river. I'd rather get any Tx or worse PP to commit early. More likely to happen in a 3-way pot.
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