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01-17-2015 , 04:14 AM
Villain: 40s middle eastern man; solid nit reg, plays a lot of 2/5 ($850)
Hero: mid 20s asian man; TAG ($400)

Hero opens $10 with AA in MP. A weak tight player flats on the BTN. Villain flats in the BB.

Flop: T44 ($31)

Hero bets $20. BTN folds villain calls.

Turn: 2 ($66)

Hero bets $45. Villain calls.

River: J ($156)

I'm not too worried about the third heart since he probably only has AT KT QT T9 and T8 for flushes. He probably would've also donked the river by now with a better hand to not give me the option of seeing a free showdown. Question is how much to value bet. If he had T or a medium PP like 77-99 that J is a scare card for him. However, this whole this I've been staring him down hard cause it is a well known fact that strong (staring) generally means weak, so I might get looked up light.
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01-17-2015 , 05:15 AM
Against a "solid nit reg", who could find a fold with 10x or 77-99, I'd bet $75ish.
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01-17-2015 , 05:25 AM
Not sure how solid and nit can be used to describe the same person, so I guess I should probably choose nit and roll with it.

What exactly can a nitty villain call pre and call flop?

Against a true nit, only 4x would be 44, and ATs at worst for Tx, leaving JJ/QQ.

So we are pretty much dealing with only 12 combos of smaller PP and 2 combos of ATs that you beat while we're behind 1 combo of 44 and 3 combos of TT.

But then again, when people post "nit" as villain's image, then they range these nits with JTs+ and KTo, and somehow 54s and A4s...

Anyhow, by river, you are pretty much behind (1) 44, (3) TT, (1) AThh, (3) JJ, and ahead of (6) QQ and (1) ATcc.

Easy bet/fold then. I would probably do $80ish to get a crying call from those 7 combos and obviously bet/fold to a raise.
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01-17-2015 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TTBH240
Against a "solid nit reg", who could find a fold with 10x or 77-99, I'd bet $75ish.
LOL @ nit calling 77-99 on that flop, especially on that turn barrel.
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01-17-2015 , 02:25 PM
I should have probably clarified. He's just very selective preflop. But I've seen him call river bets with less than top pair. Since there's a weak tight player he might call wider than usual cause he is very capable and will bluff when he smells weakness (which is why I labeled him "solid"). Maybe I should have labeled him nitty instead of a nit.

I'm sure a nit can peel the flop and maybe even the turn with 77-99. Especially since he's been getting a lot of this from me

and might be leveled into bluff catching light.
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01-17-2015 , 04:05 PM
Yay, another great HH in which labels are tossed around and then OP comes in with bunch of other stuffs to make the whole OP essentially useless.
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01-17-2015 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
Yay, another great HH in which labels are tossed around and then OP comes in with bunch of other stuffs to make the whole OP essentially useless.
It's not like anybody pays attention to the other stuffs rather than the labels when they're both in the OP anyway.
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01-17-2015 , 04:25 PM
I would bet bigger on each street. Probably 25 on the flop because they're either calling with PP or not. This inflates the pot for later streets. After setting up a $80 pot in the turn id bet 60 cuz he's not folding a T since that didn't change anything. River I'd go for a smaller half bet just do you don't scare him off

Nice hand either way. You have the right idea by keep betting
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01-17-2015 , 04:40 PM
Going for 3 streets is definitely a good option. Depending on the V, which I'm still not sure exactly what he is, I go for just 2 streets against the nittier ones. So otf he's only continuing with JJ/QQ/AT/KT maybe a few lesser Tx, there's so many hands where he c/f's. So I'd consider going for bets only ott and otr. The board pairing helps us a lot in letting Vs "catch up" when we have overpairs.

I'd bet bigger ott. Tx can't fold, that's unbelievably nitty. Getting raised isn't a worry. And sometimes guys like this setmine all the way to the turn, if he did that and didn't hit ott, he's not calling anything anymore. So no downsides to going bigger ott.

Even though hearts don't make sense for anyone otr, he might convince himself that's a serious scare card, and I don't want to lose him. I'd go a little smaller than others are saying, $65-$75.
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01-18-2015 , 04:45 AM
I guess I coulda bet bigger on the flop/turn. I bet $75 on the river and he snapped. Claimed he had KK and flatted pre to be tricky.
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01-18-2015 , 05:21 AM
Grunch,
Reg nit solid players exist, but I've never seen one besides myself.

I open larger, but then again I'd open other hands larger too so this is very situationally dependent. I don't mind opening small with prems for value, but it has to be against a field that you can confidently B/F to IMHO. Therefore you need a perfect storm of a strong image vs. a passive field. Maybe you had this situation. But likely not.

I like the way you've played the hand. Now bet river to get called by 10x, which is probably all you can beat. I B/F $75ish OTR, but I may go smallerif I think it's appropriate.
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