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V1 seems pretty good and running well. He's up $400ish and stacked me earlier with a good bluff catcher. First time I've played with him as I'm new but he seems to know most people.

V2 is an insane lag who will be very wide to the river but is fairly river honest when bet into.

We are 7 handed. We got to 5 handed waiting for a few to join and the only people who were agro short handed we myself and V1 (everyone was waiting for V2 to arrive, he's one of the big donors in the game)

V1 - $600 sb
Hero - $550 bb
V2 - $200 btn

V2 makes it $10, sb calls we call AT

Flop: QT7r ($30)
X,x,x

Turn: 4 ($30) brings in bdfd
Sb $21, we call, btn calls

River:Qx ($93)
Sb $65, hero?

You think there are many crazy lags who check back top pair on this flop?

Mb lemme rethink this one through, I thought the BTN was V1.

Ya I mean nothing really changes here. Shorthanded V1 is going to have a decent size defending range that has a lot of Q's in it. Hes checking cause you might bet your straight draw or the maniac might bet his anything. With the maniac still to act behind us on the turn Id probably make a nit fold and if its a bad LAG/maniac like you described they have a tendency to slow play when they hit a big hand and bet all their draws/pairs. Id actually be a little worried he has something big here since he was the pfr - he should be cbetting a high % on a board like this.

Id also consider 3betting pre but a call is still fine.

Against these coconuts, I’d consider raising the turn.

Bold move cotton, let's see how it plays out.

Care to elaborate why you like a raise in turn? What ranges do you put sb and btn on?

If V1 is as good as you say, he have alot of bluffs here (FDs, OESDs, GS...) and not that many Q’s, even less when it doubles the Q.

We have the odds to call and don’t need to worry by having V2 to act behind us once he is honest on river bets and have a pretty wide range that got there.

We can call and be ahead of both players alot of time.

I would say call with the reads we got.

Thanks what is the best hand you fold here?

Let's assume you are calling wide pre because of btn spewyness and you are closing the action.

So we can get to the river with numerous draws and hands like
T8o+, T6s+, Qx (not QT or Q7, would raise turn, also AQ is probably a 3! Pre for us, but not always). 7x plus diamonds. Lots of 1 pair hands and maybe we call turn with T7 but all better 2p or sets we are raising with how wet the board is.

Given that is probably your range of made hands that just call the turn, what part of this range are you bluff catching with.

Even though you're not responding to me here I'll reply.

AT is the best hand I would fold here, not 100% but something so close Id have to actually be there to be certain.

A good player doesn't defend with a wide range vs a super LAG.

I think that bluff catching vs multiple people is the wrong way to look at this. You are in between a good player who lead out and someone who is capable of doing anything at any time.

I think KT is the border line.
I’m loose so I would probably call.

Have to put more thinking on the hand to be sure, tho.

If we are thinking about folding AT river on one of the best cards that can come (Q no flushs), we should be folding it Turn.

I really believe that folding AT OTR makes us really weak vs this kinds of villains and on this run out.

We can easily fold it vs other V’s, but as OP described the hand we have one of the best bluffcatcheres we could have on this river sizing.

I did say I would fold it on the turn and I really dont think SB is bluffing on the river vs 2 callers anyway.

OP asked whats the best hand I was folding on this scenario.

So on this scenario, AT is not one of the hands I’m folding, not only because it’s one of (if not THE) the best bluffcatcher we could have, but because we can still win/split vs a few of his value bet range (KT-AT).

I’m calling turn and river, but I think the fold turn is really good too.

When we call turn, river is a must call, or we gonna be loosing alot of money on the future.

3bet to 50 pre(fold to jam obv). Call river ap.