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1/2 hero has monster draw but is shown he is beat does he still call? 1/2 hero has monster draw but is shown he is beat does he still call?

06-25-2013 , 12:11 AM
1/2 Hero is sitting at about 500. Lag image, but sitting with a bunch of nits. They want nothing more than to stack me and I'm fine with that.

Villain is old, like 70, a nit with moves though. This guy will bluff at times and loves to call any draw, but honestly none of this matters for this question

V raises 10 from middle position. 2 more call here call on button with Q10 2 more callers.

Flop KJ4 Pot (50)

Checks to V who leads for 25. Fold to hero who makes it 75.

V shoves for another 200 on top of my 75. Right as I am asking how much more it is, I also say, im probably going to call anyway. V then turns over a set of Ks

Do you still insta call here? or Does the exposed hand make you fold?
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06-25-2013 , 12:29 AM
You have to call 200 to a pot of 400 and you have 42.12% equity against his tabled hand.
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06-25-2013 , 12:33 AM
That's how I saw it. Just wondering if ANYONE ever folds. I didn't think so but wondered.
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06-25-2013 , 12:49 AM
A call would be correct.

That is a sweet draw tho with 2 cards to come. Results?
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06-25-2013 , 01:10 AM
You have to get away from the idea of thinking of a draw as the worst hand. Many times its the best. This time you get the best of it by calling.
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06-25-2013 , 01:11 AM
Royal flushie draw!!!! Did you make a royal flushie!!!!????
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06-25-2013 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray Zee
You have to get away from the idea of thinking of a draw as the worst hand. Many times its the best. This time you get the best of it by calling.
True and true.
Big draws like this can be a sizeable favorite.
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06-25-2013 , 01:39 AM
immediately say "call!" snap turn your hand up and watch the idiotic reactions on people's faces.
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06-25-2013 , 01:49 AM
BTW, why'd he table his set before you acted? Did he have selective hearing and all he heard was, "...probably going to CALL."
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06-25-2013 , 01:55 AM
He was trying to not have to fade the draw against him.
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06-25-2013 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by NuklearWinter
immediately say "call!" snap turn your hand up and watch the idiotic reactions on people's faces.
This.
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06-25-2013 , 05:23 AM
nice one by villain, make sure all the made hands fold and the ones with equity are gambling with him. tell him "must be nice to have top set and be a favourite like A2 against KJ" hehe
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06-25-2013 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
nice one by villain, make sure all the made hands fold and the ones with equity are gambling with him. tell him "must be nice to have top set and be a favourite like A2 against KJ" hehe
So with a set of kings you aren't trying to get it in on this flop? Interesting...
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06-25-2013 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by actionzip54
So with a set of kings you aren't trying to get it in on this flop? Interesting...
I think he was referring to the flipping of the kings before hero called.

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06-25-2013 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by actionzip54
So with a set of kings you aren't trying to get it in on this flop? Interesting...
You're missing the point.. Sauhund is making fun of top set villain because there's so few value combos with his blockers to kx, making it so basically only monster draws and sets would stack off here

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06-25-2013 , 09:37 AM
Call less than 40% of pot with more than 40% chance of winning. Call.
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06-25-2013 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool
You're missing the point.. Sauhund is making fun of top set villain because there's so few value combos with his blockers to kx, making it so basically only monster draws and sets would stack off here

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actually, i was thinking if i had JJ here and villain showed me his kings, well, i don´t think i will draw to my out. if villain shows his kings here, we practically have the only hand we can continue with. so he makes sure to get called by the one combo that has equity against him and folds out everything else...

but surely it was accidentally by villain, and somehow we got lucky to have this hand to not complicate things too much. actually, what do we have to do if we have JJ, for instance? can we fold, from a poker etiquette point of view? i think we can, but opinions will differ here...
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06-25-2013 , 10:20 AM
So the board ran out 5d and 9 of club.

The 9 was so innocuous no one realized I won but me and the dealer! Dealer startes to push me the pot and one guys like he missed! Poor guy with trips was just stunned. I just sat there and shook my head bc poker is funny like that. I KNEW he had top set and i still had to call, even when he showed me.

I asked if he was trying to get me to not draw by tabling his hand. He said he thought i called. Then after he tabled his hand and sees mine he goes "well yeah you DO have to call"
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06-25-2013 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Pokersevil
1/2 Hero is sitting at about 500. Lag image, but sitting with a bunch of nits. They want nothing more than to stack me and I'm fine with that.

Villain is old, like 70, a nit with moves though. This guy will bluff at times and loves to call any draw, but honestly none of this matters for this question

V raises 10 from middle position. 2 more call here call on button with Q10 2 more callers.

Flop KJ4 Pot (50)

Checks to V who leads for 25. Fold to hero who makes it 75.

V shoves for another 200 on top of my 75. Right as I am asking how much more it is, I also say, im probably going to call anyway. V then turns over a set of Ks

Do you still insta call here? or Does the exposed hand make you fold?
Call. Uber draws! Good equity. How did we do?

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06-25-2013 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray Zee
You have to get away from the idea of thinking of a draw as the worst hand. Many times its the best. This time you get the best of it by calling.
I forget this all.the.time.

Then, when I make similar plays, I beat myself up thinking I made a mistake because they haven't worked out.

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06-25-2013 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Pokersevil
So the board ran out 5d and 9 of club.

The 9 was so innocuous no one realized I won but me and the dealer! Dealer startes to push me the pot and one guys like he missed! Poor guy with trips was just stunned. I just sat there and shook my head bc poker is funny like that. I KNEW he had top set and i still had to call, even when he showed me.

I asked if he was trying to get me to not draw by tabling his hand. He said he thought i called. Then after he tabled his hand and sees mine he goes "well yeah you DO have to call"
Cool story bro.
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06-25-2013 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Redskins 47
Cool story bro.
Thank bro
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06-25-2013 , 12:54 PM
Nice hand OP
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06-25-2013 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokersevil

Do you still insta call here? or Does the exposed hand make you fold?
It's actually a good HH to think about because you will have a lot of Nits and Noobs who's first thought would be to fold and preserve their stack or to minimize variance but as you look further into the math behind the hands you see that it would be a mistake to not call.
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06-25-2013 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokersevil
So the board ran out 5d and 9 of club.

The 9 was so innocuous no one realized I won but me and the dealer! Dealer startes to push me the pot and one guys like he missed! Poor guy with trips was just stunned. I just sat there and shook my head bc poker is funny like that. I KNEW he had top set and i still had to call, even when he showed me.

I asked if he was trying to get me to not draw by tabling his hand. He said he thought i called. Then after he tabled his hand and sees mine he goes "well yeah you DO have to call"
Well there you go. For the win!

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