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1/2 Help Playing Vs Short Stack PFR and 3 bets 1/2 Help Playing Vs Short Stack PFR and 3 bets

07-20-2019 , 12:13 PM
I could use some work dealing with short stacks. 50 BB stacks are very common in my game. If no one else is in the pot yet and one of these stacks opens for a standard open $8-$12, with no signs of more people entering the pot (i.e. last to act, or only nits to act), what hands are we calling with? I know it's player dependent, but assuming a player isn't a nit, are we exclusively calling with suited broadways, maybe T9s, and 3 betting the top of our range or what? When a nit, or TAG opens at these depths, do we just let go a lot of our suited broadways because we're behind a lot of the time, and not deep enough stacks for implied odds?




Here's a hand that deals with getting 3 bet by a short stack. I know this isn't the original question, but was hoping to get feedback on the initial idea, and then feedback on this as well:

Hero opens TT $12 UTG and it's folded around to BB who 3 bets to $30 with $100 effective. BB is a somewhat LAG-y semi reg, but definitely views hero as a TAG and has shown a lot of respect in the past. We just fold here, right? I'd never fold this even $200, especially IP and to that sizing, but see over cards more often than not, and even when we have an OP we don't love it, because while I do not know villain's 3 bet range in this scenario, I'd have to assume it's skewed towards big pairs, but that's stereotyping the population.
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07-20-2019 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
I could use some work dealing with short stacks. 50 BB stacks are very common in my game. If no one else is in the pot yet and one of these stacks opens for a standard open $8-$12, with no signs of more people entering the pot (i.e. last to act, or only nits to act), what hands are we calling with? I know it's player dependent, but assuming a player isn't a nit, are we exclusively calling with suited broadways, maybe T9s, and 3 betting the top of our range or what? When a nit, or TAG opens at these depths, do we just let go a lot of our suited broadways because we're behind a lot of the time, and not deep enough stacks for implied odds?




Here's a hand that deals with getting 3 bet by a short stack. I know this isn't the original question, but was hoping to get feedback on the initial idea, and then feedback on this as well:

Hero opens TT $12 UTG and it's folded around to BB who 3 bets to $30 with $100 effective. BB is a somewhat LAG-y semi reg, but definitely views hero as a TAG and has shown a lot of respect in the past. We just fold here, right? I'd never fold this even $200, especially IP and to that sizing, but see over cards more often than not, and even when we have an OP we don't love it, because while I do not know villain's 3 bet range in this scenario, I'd have to assume it's skewed towards big pairs, but that's stereotyping the population.
Did this V buy in short, did he punt off his stack, get coolered and is tilting..? I think the scenario and player profile matters here. Give us a little more color and I think you'll get more comprehensive feedback. Thanks!
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07-20-2019 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
Did this V buy in short, did he punt off his stack, get coolered and is tilting..? I think the scenario and player profile matters here. Give us a little more color and I think you'll get more comprehensive feedback. Thanks!
Bought in short, and that's what this general thread is about, people that buy in short and play short stacked strategy; wayyyyyy more villains in my game buy in 50-75 BB deep than 100 BB deep.
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07-20-2019 , 07:19 PM
No reason to change unless they are playing a short stack strategy. If they aren't then they are the ones playing way too many hands without the correct implied odds, and I'd go more aggressive with them post flop as they would want to protect their stack more or calling incorrectly with draws.

LAG-y semi reg short stack seems like a losing player unless you are misreading him and he only turns laggy when he builds a stack with a correct short stack strategy.

Even if you don't know his 3-bet range in this scenario, call with TT if you've seen enough of his post flop play. You are in position.

Those people who buy in for a $100 and sit there with an ipad and watching a movie and plays rarely. Those are obvious people to avoid 3-betting but stab at them if they show weakness post flop. Those who just come in short stack playing way to many hands are just bad and impatient enough to call off with a top pair no kicker cause they get bored and its only $50-$60 anyway after they bleed off their stack entering too many pots.

I have rarely seen a decent short stack strategy being used live. I only remember seeing it deployed online.

Last edited by JeffChang; 07-20-2019 at 07:29 PM.
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