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06-27-2015 , 10:59 AM
Hero has an aggressive and probably loose image. Table saw Hero get coolered KK vs. AA all-in preflop for about a 600 bb pot, then Hero lost the remainder of his 75bb stack when another player limp/called 46ss to a $15 open and flopped an OESFD against Hero's AK TPTK. Hero has rebought and run his stack back up by being aggressive and opening many pots, but hasn't shown down a bluff. Table saw hero open Q7o over limpers on Hero's button and bet all three streets on a 78237 runout to chip back up quite a bit.

Villain is three to Hero's left and in the SB this hand. Seems weak passive. Typically doesn't size bets properly for the pot, and I haven't seen him show down much. He doubled through another player when his JJ rivered a boat against another player's trips with an ace kicker.

Effective stacks: $240

Unimportant player in EP raises to $7.
Hero has J J and 3-bets to $28 because he knows the table wants to start calling him or playing back, so I can widen my 3bet value range.
Unimportant player to Hero's left cold calls.
Villain in SB cold calls.
Original raiser folds.

Flop: ~$85 after rake

A J 6

Checks to Hero, who bets $45. Player on Hero's left folds. Villain c/r to $100, with $105 left behind him.

Hero....shoves? Flats and calls any turn?
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06-27-2015 , 11:15 AM
Too small OTF. This board smack the hell out of their 3-bet call range and no ace is going away. Get more value, especially on a FD board.

AP, shove all day.
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06-27-2015 , 11:35 AM
Shove.
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06-27-2015 , 11:51 AM
Shove. If he folds after check/raising half his stack, then the check/raise was a bluff.
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06-27-2015 , 12:33 PM
My first instinct is shove, but if we are never folding I don't mind flat and call any turn / jam any turn if checked to. Seems like this keeps his air in which may desperately fire again.
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06-27-2015 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Too small OTF. This board smack the hell out of their 3-bet call range and no ace is going away. Get more value, especially on a FD board.

AP, shove all day.
yup yup

Edit: Don't like calling as other poster mentioned because diamonds can potentially kill our action. Villian is never folding for $100 more here. I think we should just get the money in while we can.
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06-27-2015 , 08:16 PM
shove.

If he calls, he's drawing dead.

If he folds, a lot of his folding range is going to be draws that we don't mind folding anyways (a flush draw still has a decent chance to crack our set).
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06-28-2015 , 07:57 AM
Easiest shove in the world,if he folded then he was shutting down on almost all turns anyway.Think about it this way,what would you do with a combo draw...don't overthink things.
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06-28-2015 , 09:17 AM
If the table has started calling you pre, the don't open up your 3b range, but do 3b bigger. $45+ in this spot.
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06-28-2015 , 11:07 AM
Shove man. Not even a question. As stated, that flop def hit their 3b calling range and V is committed. Get it in.
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06-28-2015 , 12:20 PM
Of the two hands I posted, this one definitely seemed like the more clear-cut decision based solely on stack sizes, although I do still wonder if there's some merit to flatting and calling/jamming all turns. If V has a diamond draw he is not likely to fold it OTF, so it doesn't likely matter whether the money goes in OTF or OTT. If V c/r with air or with a week TP type hand, he may be slightly more likely to GII on the turn than calling the flop shove.

Results: Hero didn't think there was any way a V would c/r for half his stack here with the intention of r/f, so Hero shoved, Villain tanked and folded.
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