Linecheck 1/2 Harrahs, evening game with the pretty usual mix of tight regulars/locals and fish.

Villain 1:Middle aged white guy, seems semitight the 1,5 hour or so i have played with him, this is his second open-havent been playing many pots. He goes 10 from MP. Started hand with about $180.

Villain 2 in the cutoff calls 10: Older persian guy sitting direct to heros right, taking couple of shots at the table, and likes to see alot of cheap flops. Either for a limp pre or calling small raises. Hero have observed he have a hard time letting go of big draws, like K or A high flushdraws or open enders, even to relative big bets. Rarely makes aggressive lines himself. He have been hit by the deck getting paid off with the nutz couple of times, sitting on around $600.

Hero is down couple of hundred, but have not played any significant pots with either of the villains involved. Likely a losing/semi weak image at this point for what its worth. Hero is on the button with red KK,making it $40 to go. Starting the hand with about $310.


Both villains makes the call ($123 in pot before drop) and flop comes 29J


Villain 1 shoves allin as first to act for his remaining $140. Older persian guy then instacalls in less than a second, tossing out 1 chip to make the call.

Hero?

Last time I walked by Harrah's poker room, it looked like a retirement community.

If most of them play like tight passive OMCs, then you can safely let this one go.

V1 looks like he finally hit his set and V2 is gambling with a flush draw (as based on your reads).

Easy fold.

Ship the remaining 270.

Sets don't happen that often and we're ahead of everything else other than AA.

If villain 2 had a set he would probably take longer in order to project weakness.

I'd consider re-raising all in.
If V2 is on a draw, you can win a nice side pot.
But also, V1 can easily have AJ or QQ.
He might have JJ, and if he does, hope your overpaid holds for the side pot.
But so many players overplay their holdings in this spot that auto-folding KK here is probably a mistake.

All-in.

I'd choose a nitty fold.

I don't think V1 is shoving into the PFR with QQ. This looks like AA, flatting pre, keeping V2 in, then first to act on the flop. JJ also outflopped KK.

No.

SPR is 2.2x and you’ve got an overpair on a wet board with no blockers to anything that matters. Easy stuff.

If you folded this instead of jamming consider switching to 4/8 limit.

Also I would give V1 99,JJ as possibilities but still irrelevant.

Don’t slow roll the poor fellows.

So are we set mining with KK? 🖓

Really easy shove, nothing to discuss.

V1 taking this line with jj/99 seems bad anyway. I would almost be less surprised if he had aa (or qq or kk).

Even when villain has us, the sidepot can be juicy.

This.

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I actually expect you to lose this a lot- Harrahs 1/2 is a joke - I had a guy fold JJ pre to me in the BB when I opened BTN to $10 and he showed.

As played i'm never folding - just going all in. You might win a side pot.

Even if he has J9 you have odds to call getting huge returns - your like 25 - 30% and the pot is already $420. You only have to call $140 to win a pot of $560.

Only thing that has you completely smoked is a set and other villain has QT.

I would Jam - try and get max fold equity vs Persian guy and try and hold vs the nit.

Or if you jam and are behind - hopefully your are against the persain guys draw and you win a nice side pot.

Thanks for the replies and input guys despite this spot being fairly standard in most peoples mind i would guess. Just a thing regarding fold equity against Persian guy:there is none. He is never ever folding to me at this point after putting in $40 pre and snapcalling the $140 shove from villain 1. So this hand is solely a math/range question from heros point of view: we are indeed calling allin going to showdown here, and we are going there three ways everytime.

In game when i was down alot due to insane runbad in every aspect of the game, and consistently running into the very top of peoples ranges over and over again for weeks in all kind of games, my mind tricked me in the moment when persian guy snap called (i was for sure prepared to insta get it in vs villain 1) and i ended up folding the kings. To me this is just another lesson how the mental game of poker can affect your game- over time runbad and stressful losing sessions can, and will make you question alot of decisions that usually is standard to you. I was pretty sure i made a mistake just from my own review after the game going over the hand, but wanted to see the consesus in this thread even so.

Anyway, results as most people usually is waiting for: Villain 1 tables QJ, and persian guy tables a big combodraw with the KQ

To rub some salt in it hero of course would have dodged all the cards and scooped.

In this game, the 3-bet is almost always KK+. Based on V1 image and line, KK not usually good here. Results obviously show it was.

Hero is the 3better tho.

Petrucci, the comment about switching to limit was harsh and I apologize. Take this hand as a lesson that no matter how bad your running you have to stick to the plan my man. Also if a downswing has killed your mojo just take some time off.

No worries man, apologize of course accepted. Like, when i posted this hand and i of course knew the result/outcome, i was prepared to get flamed in this thread so that was kind of expected and its fine

I completely agree with what youre saying. At the time i was tired, wore down, hungry and frustrated- wich quite obviously means i should not have been sitting at the table at that point if i was able to make perfect decisions all the time.Usually i doesent do these kind of mistakes, thats probably one of the things that was frustrating me about this hand the most.

Also i think we all have games/spots like this every now and then, even very experienced players- where we feel outplayed, we feel like we make stupid mistakes we very rarely do,we feel like we lost our best decisionmaking or we make mistakes that will seem standard to others. I believe its meaningful to be open about these things once in a while also, wich i also see several of the vloggers have been in their videos lately like Matt Berkey or Matt Vaughan. Its refreshing to see well known players dare to show some weakness (how big losing days/streaks can and will affect you), and not just the glory on the surface.


And finally: i havent lost my mojo not yet luckily (even though it was beaten down in a couple of hands this game), had some good session last 2-3 days and fighting through it.

I just sat and stared at this spot for a good 5 minutes and I decided folding was best too, so I think an argument can be made. Just because they showed up with these specific hands THIS time and you would have scooped doesn't necessarily make it an awful fold (V1 WTF??? based on descrip I though even AJ was unlikely!). Very good players fold the winning hand some of the time.

That being said, I can see the argument for shoving too as I put V2 on a draw for sure and if he calls your shove, then the side pot "pays" for the main pot call (almost). It was close but I don't think you should feel awful about the fold.

Keep your chin up. Run good is coming.

That's my point, yet the EP player shoves into two opponents OTF, despite knowing the PFR has KK+.

ok.

However, many 1-2 players can't remember who raised preflop once they see the flop. Therefore, your "despite knowing the PFR has KK+" statement is incorrect. Not to mention, they love to put people on AK.