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03-17-2014 , 12:04 PM
Hi guys ,
beginner here so please let me know if i made a mistake playing this hand and suggestions on how you would play it not being results oriented...


1/2£ game, heros 20's asian has a played a tag style shown down good hands and is up 1.5 buyins

villian seems competent east european 20's .. has been caught out with a big river bluff once but otherwise ok..hasnt exactly played taggish as once raised from mp with 78dd , made a flush and got value from top 2 in another hand

effective stacks are 250bb with villian having 300 bb

The hand:
villian raises from utg+1 to 3bb
a couple people call
hero calls from cut off with Kh8h

flop: Ah7h9h pot ( 12bb)
v bets 9bb , hero calls, others fold

turn: 8d pot( 30bb)
v bets 25bb , hero calls
( should i raise here? thought of it but he may fold an overpair/ 2pair if i raise ...so thought would allow him to bet river again?)

river : 9c pot (80bb)
v bets 60bb,( 140bb in pot) hero tanks and goes all in i.e. overbets pot( hero had around 200 bb)

this was for pure value as i assumed i had the best hand(approximately 70-75%)...making it look like a bluff...











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Last edited by Dozingo; 03-17-2014 at 12:16 PM.
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03-17-2014 , 12:15 PM
1. Post numbers not bb, makes it easier to read.

2. Obligatory fold pre, I assume we were fit or fold to the flop though.

3. Turn is a must raise. Most hands double barreling that aren't pure air are most likely calling. We also need to get chips in to set up an easier river shove.

4. I really don't like the board pairing. As well given the way we played the hand so passively I'm probably calling here. Turning our hand which we underrepped into a bluff is meh, we really don't need to. Only hands calling have us crushed.
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03-17-2014 , 01:08 PM
Preflop is ok if you are a good player.
Flop is good with players left to act.
Turn is a mandatory raise. Need to get the money in here vs other straights and charge sets and two pairs to draw out on us.

The reason for raising the turn is 2-fold. Aside from charging draws, we also want to get the money in vs smaller flushes before a scare card comes off. If the board pairs or if a 4th heart hits the board then we are unlikely to get max value from other flopped flushes which would be a shame because on the turn it will be very difficult for them to fold.
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03-17-2014 , 01:57 PM
Preflop should be a fold most of the time. Raise or call are OK occasionally, but K8s is a hand that can get you in a lot of trouble if you flop one pair. Even deep, playing profitably with one pair is part of the bread and butter of no-limit and K8s does not play well with one pair. Once you call, the flop is OK, you flopped the nuts and calling flop to let somebody chase a smaller flush or other losing hand is OK. Turn should be a raise though, you want to build pot to setup a river shove on a good board.

River is not a good board, and unless I knew villain was stationary and would call with two pair, I'm just calling river. You no longer have the nuts and raising will fold out a lot of the hands you beat once the board pairs. It may or may not have been intentional, but villain's river bet size is good for blocking your move here. Any reasonable raise is more then pot sized and forces you to shove, and bluff shoving for pot or more is usually -EV because it has to work more then half the time just to break even.
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