1/2 NL game at Venetian while waiting for 2/5.

I am not going to put my thought processes in here but I think the dynamic is very unusual or atypical for a 1/2 game at least in my opinion and the villain description and history is very important.

Overall, myself along with 3 other players are pretty deep (200 BB) and the rest of the table is playing more shallow and nitty. It's almost like our own game with a bunch of pylons if that makes sense.

The main villain in the hand is clearly the most aggressive and active player table. With that being said he's not playing badly, just too many hands in my opinion and has some leaks as we all do at this level I guess- but overall seems decent. He has been chatting up the table, encouraging action and playing a very wide range of hands. He showed down 2 large bluffs (one on the turn and one other on the river for pot size bets of 100 and 150 dollars respectively). He also has shown down solid winners so obviously he's got us off balance. definitely playing his button every round.

I have shown down one winner for a 300 dollar pot where I had the nut straight on the end and had put in for a raise. Although I haven't played as many hands or opened as many as the other 4 active players, the Villain commented on my range questioning how I had played drawing hands, and in one other hand said "I know you are playing connectors here"

Hero MP1 ~ $530
Villain CO ~$ 590

Hero; A10

Hero opens to $12, Villain Calls, BTN calls, SB fold, BB Calls

Flop ($49)

7A9

Hero bets 20, Villain calls, all others fold

Turn ($89)

8

Hero bets $40, Villain raises to $100, Hero calls.

River ($289)

Q

Hero checks, Villain bets $150, Hero All-In ~$380


Thanks Friends

Are you raising the river as bluff or for value? Both actions seem questionable to me.

So we check/raised allin on the river?

What are we really representing here between AQ?

I think based on the flat on the flop by villain, but then the raise on the turn, that villain has a made value hand here.

Villains getting pretty good odds on his money, therefore I think there isn't enough fold equity to get him off two pair+, which would make sense for his hand.

Only hand that will call us are st8's. He'll fold 2 pair, I like it.

So you're repping AQ?

for a less than half-pot-sized raise otr? you dream, sir.

We'll probably get rid of AK and AJ here.... though if he had a hand like that and didnt think it was the nuts, leading otr after he got raised ott seems kind of odd.

98 will fold here GTFO. Live players think about money 150 will get him out a good % of times

a pretty facile and overbroad analysis.

its somewhat V dependent. But if 98 got to this river and decided to bet it for value (which i think is unlikely), he is not going to fold to a raise that small.

Also, the V described is probably thinking in terms of the size of the bet relative to the pot.

raise is pure spew if the goal is to blast v off 2 pr, IMO. Its quite possible we are good right now against the described v, but if we are, we're rarely getting any action on our raise.

I feel llike this is a missed flush or some other type of no-showdown-value air or a turned str almost always, tbh.

Turn should be a c/call all day vs this type, and it's not even close. You want a cheap showdown badly.

Why check turn? We pick up equity, keep pot small and allow villain to bluff draws. plus half the "bad" river cards improve our hand to straights and two pair, not smacking our perceived range.

The raise on river is pure spew because you're expecting villain to bet/fold a two pair type hand + he has good odds, ya, not happening. You're repping very strong, but thin. trying to get villains to fold 2p will not end well in long run and instead burn your bankroll. I check turn in this spot all day.

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Im ok with leading this turn. We're getting tons of value from other hands with Ts in them that are drawing dead to a chop. We still need to charge the flush draw (though im not that concerned about it at this point -- i think dv would have played it more aggressively otf)... and if i lead here, i am ok with getting raised with TP and an OESD.

If the turn was like a 9 or a 7 or some irrelevant card like a deuce or a trey, i would be a lot better with a c/c line. As it stands, i can still live with it but i think b/c is optimal here.

On turning this hand into a bluff, we had 2 much better opportunities to do so. We could ship ott or we could lead otr. Im not thrilled with either of these options, but theyre both better bluff lines than a river c/r.

agree with c/c ott seems optimal against villain.

as played, i love your move, villain seems decent, repps a pretty strong hand but definitely has a wider range than str8/bluff exclusively, so bluff catching ain´t doing us any good. you repp a huge hand against his very strong range, and villain seems to be savvy enough to almost never suspect a bluff here. villain seems to be a pretty typical bet/folder, too.

villain seems good enough to realise he is bluffcatching with ANYTHING but JT here; hero is giving him pretty good odds, and his line is pure strenght and almost never a bluff. can´t believe so many posters here suspect villain to call with any two pair; hero didn´t mention villain is a calling station donk, but a decent laggy player.
after all the strenght he repped hero c/shoved river? and you really think he´d snap of A8 here? he´s gonna have a hard time calling with a set in this spot.

edit: didn´t realise the fd out there, which takes away a lot of your credibilty imo since he probably doesnt expect you to slowplay the nuts oop on a wet/drawy board, which could make your move look like a desperation bluff. i´d still love the line if it was a rb board, but now i´m sceptical...

grunch:

preflop- was $12 getting multiple callers usually? If so, then you didn't raise enough.

flop- cbet larger. Otherwise ine.

turn- bet larger. Has he been raising as bluffs? That's a big difference between that and betting out as bluffs. With your top pair and open ender I guess calling is K, but you need to decide now what you're going to do when he fires the river.
river- Not sure what you were trying to accomplish with the shove. That was senseless. You're not going to fold out any better hands other than maybe AJ. And you're not getting any worse to call certainly.

resposnes: I'm ok with c/c turn as well. let's be clear though. You can't call the turn raise and fold the river unless it's a shove.

not grunch:

Game seems quite typical for 1/2. 200 bb is only $400 and you can buyin for $300 at Venetian...

Change seats

Raise more pre

Bet more on flop

C/c smallish turn bet

C/evaluate river

I doubt your river raise gets any value from weaker hands, and is high risk of being called by lots of things that beat you. I see myself doing such a move out of frustration from carddeadness and irritating villains and bourbon.

sorry, but what range are u putting the villain on once he raises turn and bets river. and which part is he going to fold on river.

unless u have a sizing tell, looks like villain is trying to get value. so i assume you are CR as bluff. i can see a competent villain folding may be bottom two but most LLSNL players cannot fold anything stronger on that board.

$12 was def not getting multiple callers. The table was very nitty except for the the villain and the button

He has raised river as a bluff previously, as well as the turn

On the river - I felt I could fold out AK, AJ, A9, A8, A7, 98, 97 (pretty much any better aces and any two pair combo. I was 100% sure he did not have a straight based on physical tell

bluff - not value

how I felt in the moment to be honest

but I'd also like to mention I gave him no credit for any type of real hand. He had peeled the flop extremely wide in previous pots calling flop bets with pretty much any piece.

I won't post the results yet but I will tell you all he took an extremely long time to make his decision. almost 5 minutes.

Thanks bud.

I will tell you on the turn almost 90% of the time I'd check call in a spot similar to this.

So we check call turn. River we are check folding, check calling, or bet folding in your opinion.

line seems like total spew to me unless you have that gut feeling he's out of line here. I agree with the check / call on the turn, soulread river unimproved (probably calling vs this guy a lot unimproved).

Feels like he has a 2pair type hand a lot with his turn/river sizing. Your river check raise seems like you only made the play to show this guy up, and maybe your ego/emotions got the better of you. If it worked out, that's awesome. Nonetheless I don't think it's a good play to make vs this type of player.

Also the table sounds crappy in general, I'm would get a table change. Nits + one guy talking strategy = no thanks.

I'm check calling this on the turn since I picked up an extra draw. Bart Hansen talked about this on one of his podcasts. Basically turn would usually be a bet fold if we didn't pick up extra outs but because we did a check looks good.

This^

35 on flop
90 on turn

You are ahead of his range on every street

good insight and agree especially on the table change-I definitely I will add before the session I wasn't really well rested or that particularly pumped to play however I didn't think it had impacted my play up until this point.

Results are after a long time in the tank he called and turned over 99 for a set and I lost.

it's almost never a good bluff when you give 3.5-1 otr

I would rather open limp in this spot. Suited broadways play fine multiway so it's not the end of the world if we end up going eleventeen ways in a limped pot (where obviously we are not playing for TP). But the key is that we're going to have the tricky good player in the pot behind us, and we're deep, and we've got a dominated A, and all of this overrides everything else, imo. I'd lean more towards raising this in later position when the tricky deep guy is OOP to us.

I kinda hate the flop spot we're in now. We're 4ways (yuck), we've got an A that loses to almost as many Aces as it beats, and the board is drawy. At this point, I kinda feel I've failed over all by not narrowing the field much, and I'm not really looking to play a big pot. So I might lean towards checking. The CO behind us might take control but that's fine with his wide range. And I might be able to get away from my hand for cheap if fireworks break out. Even though the board is drawy, I think getting ourselves into stack problems overrides giving a free card here. Even as played, the flop bet is weak ass and not accomplishing much anyways.

As played, we're in the tough spot that we really should be doing our best to avoid on the turn. If we're betting, I think we have to fold to a raise and just move on. ETA: Just realized we picked up a draw on the turn, which imo means we should be checking here since bet/folding with decent equity sucks.

The river seems spewtastic to me. What, we're repping AQ and hoping he folds all worse two pairs?

Avoiding big pots vs tricky/good players OOP is absolute key for me. A night of stacking donks is all gone to waste if we have one or two of these hands a night where we hand over our huge stack to the other good player at the table.

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