I’m relatively new to the poker scene. I’ve played in several low buy in tournaments and I’ve done well so I’ve been trying my hand at cash games and I’m unsure if I made the right play in this situation. Here is the hand:
Mp raise to 10$
I call in the cutoff with 4h 4s
Sb calls
Flop comes Qc 10s 4c
Sb checks
Mp checks
I bet 15
Sb folds
MP raises to $50
I Shove for $200
Turns over pocket tens

Is this a dumb play on my part? I had him on a couple of hands and I thought I was ahead. Thanks for the help in advance.

Set over sets are coolers. If the board wasnt so wet with str8 draw/flush draws, Id say to flat sometimes to avoid folding out AQ. Id expect big draws enough that getting it in here is best imo. You cant expect to not get stacks in with only 100bb in a set over set situation. Hopefully next time ypu have the overset

Your flop bet should have been bigger on a wet board with 2 opponents. After that it's just a cooler.

There are situations where you can fold bottom set to a shove/reraise but you need to be fairly deep and have a lock solid read that villain can't be drawing and can't be over playing a worse hand. Without a lot of history this board is wet enough you have to go with your hand.

Meant to say to avoid folding out AQ, QT (21 combos vs oversets of only 6 combos).

You made a classic error that tournament players make when play cash game. In a tournament, you can't really afford to fold TP after committing a significant portion of your stack. People are also going to push TP hard. In a cash game, no one is forced to play a hand because the blinds are getting too high.

The pot is about $140 and you shoved. The villain is not getting odds to call with a FD (which I'm sure was a reason you shoved). If he is thinking, the only hand he can call you with is a set, which is going to be better than yours. What you did was make sure that you'd win with minimum and lose the maximum. That's not good poker.

I would have flatted the raise. If he had the flush draw, you had 8 outs to improve on the turn and 10 on the river. Compared to his 9 on the turn and 9 on the river, you had equal odd to redraw and were ahead.

This was well played. I GII with sets on the flop at 1/2 as much as i possibly can, this is just a cooler. People will get it in with all sorts of stuff at low stakes.

This is a shove and AINEC. This is 1/2 and at this level V’s will call all day with AQ, KQ, QT, KJ, J9s, and flush draws. There’s probably around 60+ combos of hands V can legitimately have here that we are ahead of and that will call a shove whereas we are behind 6 combos. Also, the pot is not $140 when he shoves.

Also, ALMOST everything in your last paragraph makes no sense and/or is incorrect.

Fine with the flop bet (I’d probably go $20), however the check-raise should set off some alarm bells. I’d flat call his raise, evaluate later streets. Without much info on V, Shoving is only getting called by stronger hands generally(QQ/1010). Maybe if he has NFD, AQ, KJ or 10xcc he might call (could see JJ too, if he thinks you are on a draw). But if he had those hands, I’d imagine the V c-bets the flop.

Curious to know...what hands did you have him on once he check/raised flop?


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The only way you're avoiding this is with a good read. If for instance, you've noticed he check raises flops he's hit well, and just C bets pots he's missed, then you could know he at least TP here. Otherwise, just a cooler.


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Yeah as others have said I would flat the $50 and not shove $200 on the flop. See if the flush gets there on the turn and if it does you could have an easy way to get out if you did put him on the flush draw and it came. Otherwise I'd say pf is pretty standard. You didn't give us any info on villain so it is hard to say a lot about what we could put him on. If you have noticed he is only limping two hands every orbit than be wary of his aggression.

This is really bad

No. Just. No. This is 1/2 live and not getting it in in this situation is honestly awful. They pay you off with way more losing hands than they beat you with winning hands. This is a question of how to best get all the money in, and coolers happen. This was just a cooler.

The point is to get them to "call with hands they dont have odds with", and they do all the time.