The problem with your premise is that you're making a -EV call on the flop to get to the neutral EV turn decision. That's not the formula for winning poker. It's like people buying a new car to get 15% better gas mileage and they only drive 8,000 miles per year.

You don't have the equity to call the bet size on the flop with implied odds due to the stack remaining and the fact that you're not guaranteed to get what's remaining depending on what lands. That the turn decision is a wash because he only has $150 left doesn't negate how you got there in the first place.

The only way to guarantee you actually realize your equity on the flop is by getting it all in and seeing two cards for all the chips. You're never guaranteed to get his remaining $150 on the turn otherwise.

This isn't a tournament where you can consider the value of survival. V2 can show you a set face-up on the flop and a shove is still around EV neutral and that's the best position you're ever going to be against that hand here. When you add in AK/KQ/KJ/KT and other club combos to his range you're +EV on a flop shove.

Unless my math is horribly wrong, we have direct odds to call the flop raise. Im not even talking about the added implied odds. Show me where the flop call is -EV.

Villain check raised to $80. We have to call $45 more and there is already $195 in the pot. We need 19% equity to make that call if we completely disregard implied odds. We have about 25% equity vs KQ/AK/55/QQ with one card to come (the turn).

Fair enough, it's +EV, you're right.

In most of these situations you're not getting those types of odds. In those situations you have to shove to realize your equity. This one is a bit different though. I was looking at your statement in a vacuum and applying it more widely. I think this is a minority exception where calling is ok too. I don't know if it's better than shoving per se, but definitely lower variance for those who prefer that play style.

A lot of the time we're going to have to put in $65 on the flop. The other villain is pot committed with a lot of hands and will likely shove over the top if we just call. Even if we assume we have to put in $65 100% and never make any money on the turn, it's a +EV call against their ranges, though. There is some merit to shoving if villain will play well against our hand when we call, but I doubt he can get away from KQ on club/jack turns. Keep in mind that we don't really have good implied odds against 55, though.

I am just amazed that people think V will gii on a club turn w/o maybe top set? Would you?

(Well, of course 2+2ers are way too good to gii on a club turn I will admit most 2+2ers wouldn't play AK this way, so maybe it's moot.)