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01-19-2014 , 02:39 PM
This is at a 1/2 private game. Only my fourth hand at the table, and I had raised two hands preflop, taken one down pre, and the other on a dry, unconnected flop.

Preflop: Two limpers to me, and I make it $12 in MP with KQhh. BTN, who has sounded kind of tilty about past few orbits calls, as does an EP limper. 3way to flop.

(Villain "reads": Middle-aged, overweight white guy. Dressed in a polo and khakis. He was tilting over a hand he'd lost just as I was walking in the room. He had clearly been sucked out on, but I didn't get any more info about the hand.)

Flop: Q86ddx (~$35)
EP checks, I bets $20, and tilty-seeming BTN quickly makes it $55. EP snap-folds, and the action is back to me. Hero?

Last edited by scourrge; 01-19-2014 at 02:52 PM.
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01-19-2014 , 02:44 PM
Need stack sizes
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01-19-2014 , 02:46 PM
Spoiler not read, and I'd just edit it out if I were you, as many people can't resist and it sways their advice.

Need more info about tilter. Where you waiting for a seat and get more than "sounded kind of tilty," or did you just sit down to him saying something like "just get your money in bad against me and get there, easy game." Also, what info (age, dress, etc.) do we have on him that might help us build a profile?

Generally, if I get raised with TPGK, I just fold it, but if we think he is often spazzy with a draw here we could shove over his raise (assuming 100BB effective) and deny him odds. I'd need a much better read to do that, though. Def never flatting.
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01-19-2014 , 02:50 PM
Sorry, forgot stack sizes, cause it's almost exactly 100bb effective. I'd been hit with the blinds, but I'd taken down 2 small pots. So maybe like 105 - 110 bb.

My "read" was vague, because I didn't see him play a hand, just complain about the pot he'd lost a few hands ago. Adding description to OP.
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01-19-2014 , 02:51 PM
Stack size of BTN?

Either a shove/fold with my weight going towards a fold, always a better spot to attack a tilty player.

Edit - Saw stack sizes and updated reads... folding to a raise here.
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01-19-2014 , 03:15 PM
Yah, a fold here is pretty standard without great solid read on his play style.
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01-19-2014 , 03:36 PM
Without a better read I let this go. Stack sizes leave you between fold and shove. Without some idea how big a value hand he needs to raise here, how good a draw he needs to do this and if there is any chance he is bluffing, I'm letting it go. Just improving your hand to AcQc makes me consider shoving more seriously. That improves Hero's position vs value hands slightly. More importantly, there are probably nut flush draws in his range. Since Hero doesn't have the ace all of those hands have decent equity. With AcQc I'm trying to read just how tilted he is and might shove, with a weaker hand I'm giving up.
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01-19-2014 , 05:13 PM
After read edit, this is an easy fold for me, even given his frustration. Middle aged khaki guys are rarely raising draws, and eve frustrated, unlikely spewing with air or turning a weaker K into a bluff.
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01-19-2014 , 05:34 PM
Villain dependent. No stack sizes.

From the original post, I would fold. If we call, we are OOP and unless a K falls we are in a TOUGH spot. We check turn, he goes in on us. Hero? We bet with anything except a K falling, he shoves, hero? If we shove on a blank turn, we are getting called by better and maybe getting an AQ to fold almost never.
Right now we are getting beat by someone that could be calling and hit 2 pair or a set in this situation or AQ.
You've got 32 invested with Top pair, and K kicker. It's easier for me to release this one and find a better spot to get my money than call flop to just fold the turn. Unless that K comes, of course.
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01-19-2014 , 06:08 PM
Does the tilter limp AQ?

Are we sure this is an easy fold? Against a tilter (if the read is correct) our hand plays much better than we think.

Just trying to see if i can find an online pokerstove to use while at work.
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01-19-2014 , 06:12 PM
I think tilter much more likely to limp Q8, or 68s than AQ, but also has sets in his range. He might have combo draws, but we don't do great against those either. Only doing well against lower Qs and bare draws.
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01-19-2014 , 06:13 PM
Just call and reeval turn
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01-19-2014 , 06:23 PM
I'm folding until I get better reads on how V plays postflop. Would also bet a little bigger on the flop.
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01-19-2014 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen
Just call and reeval turn
What are we evaluating?
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01-19-2014 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanAA44
What are we evaluating?
If he bets, I fold, if he checks it down, I win. At least that's what most people mean when they are at a certain level of playing.

With what we know, I fold. The villain will tell us whether it a good fold or not if he is tilting. He'll be bitching that nobody ever has a hand when he has one or smile a bit and say nothing.
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01-19-2014 , 08:41 PM
Thanks for replies, guys. Sorry for initial confusion/lack of info.
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