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1/2 gs+fd otf facing bet and raise 1/2 gs+fd otf facing bet and raise

06-08-2018 , 08:03 PM
Hero 450€
V1 300€
V2 180

Utg, utg+1, mp, hj and co limp, hero overlimps 86 otb, bb raises to 15€, everybody calls. 7 way ttf lol

Flop (105€) QJ9
Checks to V1 in mp who bets 42€, V2 in hj raises to 88€, co folds. Hero?

Is this an easy fold?
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06-08-2018 , 09:26 PM
Preflop is whatever, these things happen. Over limping 86s was fine and last to act after 6 calls your odds are too ridiculous to fold.

On the flop V2 isn't folding when he makes a near min raise to more then 1/3 of his stack. He either has a huge hand or a monster draw and your hand makes the draws unlikely. Against one opponent you can make a case for calling/raising. Against 2 it doesn't work, your draws are too low. A ten is too likely to give somebody else a better straight and the action suggests somebody has two pair+ already. Plus the original raiser could be waiting to come over the top with QQ or an over pair.

You got super good odds preflop but you needed to flop something monster and you just have an OK draw and lots of action.
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06-08-2018 , 10:20 PM
Very easy fold, not even considering anything else. This would be a tricky spot with a nut draw, this draw is trash.
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06-09-2018 , 08:27 AM
Aight thats what i thought. Just wanted kinda confirmation.
I folded thinking i could be dead already.

V1 just called otf. Turn was like a 3, V2 shoved, V1 folded
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06-09-2018 , 08:59 AM
Pre is fine first time around.

I think you can fold the 2nd time around. SPR is going to be really low, and you cant really continue OTF unless you flop OESFD or two pair + (you arent going to often enough). SPR is 2 so you have to flop huge to win the pot, and you're burning $13 for every time you call.

Otf snap fold.
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06-09-2018 , 09:47 AM
Yeah, having paid more attention to preflop I agree you want to fold this the second time around.

Suited connectors are a misunderstood type of hand. Basically you either want to be the aggressor in a heads up situation, or you want to be in really cheaply and speculatively. What you don't want is to be in a low SPR multiway pot. So flatting raises in position is dubious. At least with the sort of raise sizes we see at LLSNL; 3bb raises are a different story.
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06-09-2018 , 12:18 PM
easy fold because even your draws are likely no good
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