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1/2 @ Golden Nugget. Hero just sat down. A bunch of noob questions. 1/2 @ Golden Nugget. Hero just sat down. A bunch of noob questions.

07-04-2014 , 10:50 PM
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Hero just sat down with $500. First time playing there and was told it was an uncapped game. Was surprised to see my $500 covered the table.

Maybe folded 1 or 2 hands before the following hand occurred

Villain ($365): Asian, maybe 35yo. No other reads.

8 handed. Hero is dealt AdQc UTG.
Hero opens to $10, 2 calls, Villain 3-bets to $40 on the button
Hero?

So basically my main reason for starting this thread is I don't play too much LLSNL these days and it was my first time playing in Vegas.

1. How wide do 2p2ers think randoms 3-betting buttons?
2. How wide are 2p2ers 3-betting this spot?
3. What are people going to perceive my range as if I 4-bet to $85-90?
4. With what hands would the average LLSNL Villain flat with?
5. With what hands woud the aveage LLSNL Villain 5-bet jam with?
6. Say i was to 4-bet to $85-$90 (pretty standard sizing imo) and I get a flat. A fairly normal sizing (in the eyes of an online player) would be to c-bet about 1/3 pot or slightly less to leave about a 3/4 PSB for the turn. Does this sizing give me any FE on the flop in LLSNL?
7. And more importantly how do most LLSNL players perceive a 1/3pot c-bet on the flop? Would they think it's weak because it's so small without understanding why it's small?
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07-04-2014 , 11:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by berry1
$1/$2 at Golden Nugget
Hero just sat down with $500. First time playing there and was told it was an uncapped game. Was surprised to see my $500 covered the table.

Maybe folded 1 or 2 hands before the following hand occurred

Villain ($365): Asian, maybe 35yo. No other reads.

8 handed. Hero is dealt AdQc UTG.
Hero opens to $10, 2 calls, Villain 3-bets to $40 on the button
Hero?

So basically my main reason for starting this thread is I don't play too much LLSNL these days and it was my first time playing in Vegas.

1. How wide do 2p2ers think randoms 3-betting buttons?

Random rec fish? QQ+, AKs maybe. KK+ for some.

2. How wide are 2p2ers 3-betting this spot?

With no reads against and UTG raiser? That's prolly close. UTG ranges are pretty tight. And if we know nothing about you, I assume you are passive, so your opening range is strong.

3. What are people going to perceive my range as if I 4-bet to $85-90?

KK+. Maybe QQ+. But that doesn't mean that they will care, or that they will play accordingly.

4. With what hands would the average LLSNL Villain flat with?

Flat your 4bet? None. Since they are 3betting such a tight range, they will tend to gii with munch of their range. But this is also stack size dependant.

5. With what hands woud the aveage LLSNL Villain 5-bet jam with?

AA. 35% KK.

6. Say i was to 4-bet to $85-$90 (pretty standard sizing imo) and I get a flat. A fairly normal sizing (in the eyes of an online player) would be to c-bet about 1/3 pot or slightly less to leave about a 3/4 PSB for the turn. Does this sizing give me any FE on the flop in LLSNL?

Prolly not. As their range should be almost only over pairs. So, thye won't fold an over pair ever. They will just sigh and 'pay you off with your AA' and then complain about the bad beat to the player closest to them that will listen.

7. And more importantly how do most LLSNL players perceive a 1/3pot c-bet on the flop? Would they think it's weak because it's so small without understanding why it's small?

Yes. But I'm not sure how many of them would act on that perception.
Too many questions for one thread to be honest.
But I'll try to help anyway.
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07-05-2014 , 12:31 AM
IRTM gave you the straight goods there. Generally, I fold AQ to a 3-bet OOP without a second thought in live 1/2. Range to continue against a c-bet is pretty inelastic to sizing for most randoms, and FE is rare. They play their own cards, not your perceived range.
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07-05-2014 , 01:57 AM
ok yea in hindsight I guess it's 10% 4-bet, 90% fold or something like that. I talked myself into a 4-bet given he was OTB and not playing much LLSNL I'm used to people 3-betting buttons wide. From the way he postured I think he folded something pretty big.
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07-05-2014 , 02:35 AM
I like AQ but I think it becomes an rio hand in a 3 bet pot, especially vs an unknown. Your oop, I'd fold. Agree with most of what Irtm said
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07-05-2014 , 03:06 AM
yea we're never flatting readless. And probably never regardless with AQo multiway.
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07-05-2014 , 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by berry1
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1. How wide do 2p2ers think randoms 3-betting buttons?
The Vegas games are different right now. I think the WSOP is really affecting things. People are 3-betting VERY light these days. I see someone 3-bet AJ or worse an average of 2 or 3 times a day (even OOP). AQ is still a fold to a 3! though.

The other change I've noticed since the series started is check-raise bluffs on the river. You NEVER EVER used to see that in $1/2 Vegas games. I've seen it quite a bit lately.
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07-05-2014 , 03:47 AM
I've definitely folded AQ in this exact spot every time it's happened. Except once when I decided to experiment: This guy was a little deep so I decided to 4! bluff with it preflop. I was UTG and he was LP. He snap called and I lost a lot to him on an A high flop when he had AK. Oops. Lol sample size, but I don't think there are many other scenarios, honestly.
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07-05-2014 , 05:17 AM
Online, AQ can be a good hand to include in your 4b range against the right Villains in this spot. At LLSNL it's generally just spew; randos' 3b ranges are simply too nutted to expect much FE, and our hand is a disaster OOP against their 3b/c range. Pretty standard fold.

Light 4bets simply don't come up very much in LLSNL. They're really only useful against thinking opponents who are going to 3b >5% of the time, and there just aren't a ton of those players hanging out at 1/2 games.
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