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Old 06-28-2018, 03:22 PM   #1
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1/2, Getting the right price to station?

Playing at a $1/$2 private game. Runs once a week and is full of MAWG's who are mostly loose passive. Max buy-in is $80 raising to $120 after 2 hours. Not the best structure but there are no other games to play on that day, and it is rake-free and soft.

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V1 (MP): Probably the tightest guy at the game, which means he's actually folding 95s and stuff but still calling/raising with K8s+ and K9o. Still limps a lot along with everyone else.

V2 (BTN): Loose-passive, likes to station when he feels he is "priced in." Gives random unsolicited advice that is horribly wrong.

Stacks:

Hero: $140
V1: $220
V2: $110

OTTH

MP limps, Hero raises to $10 with AT, BTN calls, MP calls.

Flop: JT5 Pot = $33

MP leads for $16, Hero calls, BTN calls

Turn: 2 Pot = $81

MP bets $16, Hero calls, BTN calls.

River: 5 Pot = $129

MP checks, Hero checks, BTN shoves for $68, MP tanks for 1 million years and angrily folds, Hero folds.

Analysis

Pre: Seems standard enough to me. I am the one raising the most and $10 is pretty big for this table. I could see an argument for going bigger though. Limping or folding seems too weak.

Flop: Interesting lead, I guess he just has a J or a draw, I could see a fold here being reasonable. At the time I figured there are some turns to run a bluff and we pick up equity on a heart. However we aren't that deep, and the BTN has an even smaller stack. Not exactly sure what the right play here is. Raising seems like suicide.

Turn: I'm almost getting direct odds to improve my hand, didn't love that the BTN called behind. I don't really know what to do here either except call, but SPR is getting low.

River: Seems like an easy fold. Definitely could have QK but I don't like stationing the river when someone bet into 2 people. I think flop and turn are more interesting streets.

What do you guys think? Should I just be folding flop?

(Will post V2's hand after discussion)
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Old 06-28-2018, 03:30 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2, Getting the right price to station?

I think flop is a call, but turn is a fold after BTN calls flop behind you on a very dry board. AP, river is a clear fold.
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Old 06-28-2018, 03:34 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2, Getting the right price to station?

As played, I think there might be a case for folding flop, but there is definitely a case for folding turn.

Your only other option would be to raise to $40-ish hoping just to push the button out, and then jamming it in if MP checks it to you on the turn. That feels spewy and FPS-like, but if the guy is as tight as you say he is, maybe it's worth thinking about.

I get what you're saying about limping and folding being too weak pre-flop, but the short stack sizes demand it. This hand just sucks with an SPR of 4.
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Old 06-29-2018, 03:33 AM   #4
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Re: 1/2, Getting the right price to station?

Flop is a mandatory call. We can never fold here.

OTT i would strongly consider folding 3-ways, someone probably has a weak Jx or KQ, and you dont really have good equity here ott.

OTR the 5 reduces a lot of value hands, and it's not like he shoves J7 here. I call. Every draw missed
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Old 06-30-2018, 12:52 AM   #5
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Re: 1/2, Getting the right price to station?

I've nit folded flops like this where I get donked into like this. When I know my hand is unlikely to improve, V is going to keep up the pressure, and I'm not going to call down 80% of runouts, I get out at the first opportunity. It sounds like against this V the flop call is fine though.

I'm not entirely sure if you can fold the turn here. I'd probably rank your hand as a 4 outer, and you have some decent implied odds. It's close either way.

I'm not sure on the river here. On one hand the guy is a loose-passive station, which is no the player type to bluff catch against. On the other, this is pretty much the nut bluff catching scenario. I still probably fold, as he has a lot of Jx/5x in his range, unless I know he's capable of pulling this off as a bluff.
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Old 06-30-2018, 01:30 AM   #6
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Re: 1/2, Getting the right price to station?

WP assuming you called the river, but I think flop is close because of how unbalanced donk leads tend to be. River is a snap, especially after MP tanks. It's possible he folded a weak Jack, making it way less likely BTN has anything.
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Old 06-30-2018, 02:44 AM   #7
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Re: 1/2, Getting the right price to station?

I don’t mind a flop fold at all to the tightest player in the game when there’s another person behind us. It also sucks that an ace doesn’t even give us the nuts and sometimes jacks us up when they have QK. Sounds like a berry patch, why not wait for a better spot?

Honestly though, the line taken was also fine.
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Old 06-30-2018, 08:40 AM   #8
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Re: 1/2, Getting the right price to station?

When MP bet the same amount OTT that he bet OTF, I would have raised 75% of pot [after adding in my $16], unless I had reason to believe he does that kind of bet-sizing with strong hands.
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Old 06-30-2018, 10:28 AM   #9
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Re: 1/2, Getting the right price to station?

Fold flop vs tightest guy in the room.

Lol at folding turn getting 6:1. Definitely not raising. But, yeah, fold flop and not actually being in this spot is ideal.

I probably call river as played getting ~3:1
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Old 06-30-2018, 02:38 PM   #10
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Re: 1/2, Getting the right price to station?

The tightest guy in the room isn't that tight from what op made it sound like, we aren't dealing with a nit here. Folding flop is very bad weak play imo, our hand could just be good, some strong backdoor draws.

Turn...it's $16, call.

River I would fold. He has 5's in his range, maybe just a jack. I don't think call is horrible, but I'm not making it.
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