Eff stacks 400

V just sat down, 20 something, mid eastern, wearing a baseball cap. Basically no reads whatsoever.

H playing tag, had aces cracked a couple of times but still winning, solid image

5 handed

H btn with 33
V in co

Hj limps, v in co limps, h raises to 10, call, call

Flop(30) ak2r
X,x, h bets 20, call, call

Turn(90) 3c putting a flush draw on the board
X,x, hero bets 75, hj folds, v tanks for 45 seconds and calls

River(240) qc
V donks 150, h?

There are definitely flush draws in Vs range. Id make ur preflop raise sizing bigger. About 17ish as played was good. River is a tough decision.

Villain can also have some KQ type hands, Ax, but given information I believe he has the flush here almost 80% of the time.

Whats the debate for over bet / fold or bet / fold? Im leaning towards overbet. As played fold river given his donk and no tells


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Pretty easy call I think. Helps to know which cards are clubs though.

Id say its on the optimistic side to be betting this flop with little equity.

Pre at 1/3 definitely overlimping this hand. Im surprised it was only a 3way pot given the siIng.

In a loose game as a rule of thumb with 2 limpers I just make it 15 unless effective stacks are short

Flop I like a delayed cbet in position as I think when they check to you their ranges are going to be significantly weaker. Also people at 1/2 and 1/3 overplay weaker offsuit aces.

Turn As played like the sizing.

River is 100% a fold for me especially if the A or K is not a club. He's not value betting KQ and hes not trying to get you off TP or 2p so fold (IMO)

Im a big proponent of calling a lot at LLSNL but this isnt a spot where I think the average guy or even loose fish is ever bluffing. He was also last to overcall so I think he can show up with a lot of random crap here. This is also a relatively "big" pot (even though its hp) which makss me less confident its a bluff based on sizing. These donk leads asp tend to be relatively strong from my experience.

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You're also looking at a wheel on the turn, and broadway on the river. Given the tank/call on the turn, then donk when the scare card comes, I suspect that you're looking at 45, but you only have to be up against a horribly played AK or 22 about a quarter of the time for it to be a profitable call, so I make it.

Edit- it was kc on flop, 3c turn and qc on river

He could easily be repping the clubs, although it does look value-y. You could have many sets or two pair, which most people can't fold and he should know that. This is probably a fold, but it's gross and I wouldn't blame you for calling.

You're behind eight combos (seven Axs and one JTs). You're ahead of three 22 combos, but probably discounted because they raise the flop or turn. Villain might have some odd KQ, but doubtful.

I can find a tight fold here. It's very close. Not a huge mistake either way. With no reads, I probably call it off to see what he has.

TJ or 2 clubs??

This is tough. If he hadn't limped this is an easy call because he has value two pair bets in his range. Would villain lead the river here with A2/A3 here? I don't think J10 calls the flop and the turn with that board except for jack ten of clubs.

I think villain is bluffing or has two pair or a smaller set enough here to make the call.

yep.

just fold and be done with it...crappy pill to swallow. I hope I'm wrong

results op???

Why are we raising 2 limps, when we don't have read on villains?

Raising pre here, you pretty much are planning 2 barrels postflop to win pot. Yet you have no idea what there limp calling range is.

Sure flop crushes a normal raising range. But probably doesn't hit your button range very hard at all.

And it does hit there limp calling range. As I would expect, you got called 2 times on flop.

Strongly suggest you stop raising small pairs when you have multiple limpers, and blinds still to act.

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I made the fold, the guy tells me he had kq for rivered 2 pair, bit annoying

What do you suggest? Folding these hands on the btn??

Check flop, as played call river.

is villan donking 2 pair? j10 made a straight or flush, donking? Villan could check raise instead. Fold is what i lean to.

Saw results, its ok to fold the best hand sometimes, this is is tough.

he peeled three ways with bare KQ oop on an AKx board, peeled the turn unimproved, then donked ferociously with two pairs on the river. that's... pretty special. don't leave the table lol.

anyway, against a live rando I think you can pretty safely call the river and expect to see a lot of Ax two pair that took this line (I'd assign at least 15 combos of worse two pair to his range [AK/AQ/A2/A3] after discounting for no preflop raise, no flop raise, no turn raise. I'd toss in a combo or two of just super twilight-zone better sets. Maybe 1 combos of 22 plays this way? (I expect a turn raise or a flop raise or to check/raise the river). Most flushes draws don't survive the flop, and I'd give him maybe 7-8 combos of flushes, but I expect him to x/r the nut flush some % so I'm discounting. So I think we're going to win this pot well over the required 30% of the time to find a call.

p.s., after seeing this hand go down, this exact same spot on the river is a trivial shove against this villain.

What worse hands call? No better hands will fold. I don't see how hero gets value from >50% of villain's calling range.

KQ, for example. Look at how the flop and turn played out. He's just clicking buttons. I bet he shows up in this spot with bare Ax some % of the time, even to a shove.

This is very results oriented since hero said he had zero reads in the OP. I still find it hard to believe that villain calls with 50%+ worse hands, even if he is a button clicker. Hero also has no idea if villain is telling the truth or not. I'm sure I'm not alone in lying from time to time about my holdings after the hand.

I think I phrased that confusingly.

in the section you quoted, what I said was "after seeing this hand, this is an easy jam the next time"

What I meant was "in the future, we should widen our value range against this villain considerably, because they are going broke very light." That is, we have a read that villain is a monkey, so we should adjust our ranging accordingly (and if we replayed this hand with that read, the correct play would *change* from a call to a shove, given the additional information).