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Old 03-28-2017, 01:47 AM   #1
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1/2 full boat

hero has 100 bb deep
villian is a tag at this point around 150 bb deep old white guy retired
5 player in pot
hero has j 6 off on in bb 5 limpers hero checks
flop comes j6 q
hero checks
villain in hj bets 10 into 11 dollar pot hero raises to 30 villian calls turn comes 6 hero checks putting hi on flush draw close to dead if not dead and villain checks did i mess up here? river comes A
so the pots around 70 hero bets 40 on river and villian tanks and raises to 110
hero?

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Old 03-28-2017, 01:51 AM   #2
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Re: 1/2 full boat

Are these real hands?
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Old 03-28-2017, 01:52 AM   #3
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as sad as this is they are by the same person its sick but he did not have aa or qq here
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Old 03-28-2017, 02:33 AM   #4
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Re: 1/2 full boat

Fold vs old white retired guy (if he fits the stereotype of being tight). He should have Ac6c a lot here. Sometimes JJ . I dunno. Maybe even Q6suited. Against young guys or aggro guys it's an easy call.
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Old 03-28-2017, 02:51 AM   #5
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Fold vs old white retired guy (if he fits the stereotype of being tight). He should have Ac6c a lot here. Sometimes JJ . I dunno. Maybe even Q6suited. Against young guys or aggro guys it's an easy call.
Wat. He can easily just have KT. Hero checked turn.

Lead out flop, as played bet turn, they're not going to think you're full. They'll just put you on QJ.

Edit: Oh and call river.
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Old 03-28-2017, 02:58 AM   #6
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Wat. He can easily just have KT. Hero checked turn.

Lead out flop, as played bet turn, they're not going to think you're full. They'll just put you on QJ.

Edit: Oh and call river.
I'm not liking it in a limped pot with the 6th nuts vs an old white dude. Most of them won't raise here on a paired board with K10 ime.
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Old 03-28-2017, 03:02 AM   #7
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Re: 1/2 full boat

snap call, but no raise. he is going to have KT here a ton.
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Old 03-28-2017, 03:09 AM   #8
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I'm not liking it in a limped pot with the 6th nuts vs an old white dude. Most of them won't raise here on a paired board with K10 ime.
There are players I'd fold it to, but I'd want a more specific read than available here.
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Old 03-28-2017, 03:24 AM   #9
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There are players I'd fold it to, but I'd want a more specific read than available here.
My response is obviously a little biased due to OPs comment which tells us he obviously lost the hand...
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Old 03-28-2017, 05:14 AM   #10
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Re: 1/2 full boat

Villan checked back the turn. I don't see anyone checking back a hand like A6 on the turn with the board being quite wet. So I am not worryed that much about A6. Now the other hands that beat you:
Q6 is an old retired guy limping a hand like Q6s in the HJ? Possibly but again not very likely.
JJ and QQ - I think we can safely disregard those hands because he'd raise pre with those.
So, it looks to me like it is a nitty call or a raise to get value from a badly played AQ or KT.

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Old 03-28-2017, 06:45 AM   #11
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1) TAG OMC bets 'pot' on Flop ... He wants to protect his hand and/or build a pot. Probably not a draw since there are so many in the hand.
2) V flatted a raise ... danger danger but fine

3) Not sure why we don't bet out here on Turn as there are plenty of weaker hands in our range and/or we could still be on our strong draw even with paired board. I tend to think I'm being trapped more than not when a c/r is followed up by a check on the next street. Do we really have that many 6x hands we c/r a Flop with? Only A6c
4) By not betting we now know 'just as little' about V as before. Could be trapping, thinking we are on flush draw. Could be weak himself.

5) I don't mind leading River so small ... as long as I plan on calling most raises. If V had a strong A high flush draw he wont call much more but is comfortable with 2 pair.
6) Never go broke in a limped pot. We are NEVER good if we shove and get called so we are left with calling getting 2 to 1. Are we good 33% of the time here?

There are a lot of scenarios the way the hand played out where Hero and V share cards/ranges. We should safely assume that V has no less than 2 pair (with an Ace) or 6x or he wouldn't be raising. We have led the River so weak that I think V raising range may be weaker 'than normal' which does allow us to call, barely.

Bet the Turn ... We need to remain 'scared' of the draws by protecting whatever we c/r with. In V eyes did we really c/r a 6x hand? By betting I think our range actually stays wider and keeps stronger Qx/draw hands in the pot. GL
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