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04-03-2014 , 08:39 PM
Hey guys!

Hero/Btn(850) Young 20s whitey, may be viewed as LAG by villian. Just got caught bluffing the previous hand against V. Also played a hand in where I had called a flop donk and hit a gutshot. Have been Cbetting frequently.

Villian/BB(300) Young 20s whitey, has an unusually large open size. Has check raised me in several spots on the flop and once on the turn.

2 limps and hero makes it 15 with KK
V calls
Others fold

Flop(35) AQ8

V checks
Hero bets 25
V C/R 75
Hero?

I think V 3bets with QQ/AA/AK and maybe occasionally AQs. 88 is definetly in his range as well as a multitude of draws.

How do you guys handle guys who check raise at a high frequency? I don't rarely encounter this trait in a V at 1/2.

Thanks in advance.
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04-03-2014 , 08:43 PM
I don't cbet Ace high flops with KK. If you think you must, decide how you would play this with AK and do so.
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04-03-2014 , 08:56 PM
Against this V, I check back flop, specifically because he likes to c/r, and thinks we are FOS, so we're not sure if we can fold to a c/r.

Against an average V, I check back flop because we are WA/WB and basically no worse hands are calling our c-bet, whereas if we look "afraid of the ace," we might get some value from worse hands later.

AP, I fold and kick myself for c-betting and now having to fold what might very well be the best hand.
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04-03-2014 , 08:56 PM
I don't think its +ev to c-bet Ace high flops with KK in a raised pot, even against one opponent. Once this flop hits, you are looking to get to showdown.

Facing a call to a c-bet you typically have to give a opponent an ace or a draw on this board as a lone queen isn't likely to flat. If its a case where you put opponent on an ace you have to make a decision based on opponent as to whether they will call down 2 more streets with a naked ace if you barrel. If you think they will. Essentially you have to look to get to showdown as cheap as possible unless you improve.. picking up a backdoor flush draw on turn would be a reason to bet if you are checked to a second time for example.

Facing a check-raise its a fold.. Even against a frequent check raiser its a fold. Against such players exercise pot control by checking back on these flops rather than default c-betting. While he may be trying to blow you up hands, more often than not he'll have decent equity in the hand with some sort of a draw and given that there aren't many good turns/rivers.. I fold 80/85% to check raise on this board.
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04-03-2014 , 08:58 PM
Try to answer these questions, and then hopefully you will come to the right answer:

When you bet this flop, what do you want to get value from? What worse hands are calling you?

When he check raises you, what types of hands do you put him on? How do you fare against those hands?

Once you've decided what his range is, what's the best way to maximize your profit vs his range?

In general, I'm checking behind on the flop.
And I plan to call at least one bet on the turn from an aggressive villain.

Also, people who check/raise a lot can come in a variety of forms. So knowing that he likes to ck/rs is only half the battle. We need to know what sorts of hands he's doing this with. Is it always top pair+? Is it ever with bottom pair as a bluff? Is it normally combo draws? Does he understand that he's bluffing with ATs here if he check/raises? Does he think that he's betting for value?

This is a pretty complex question, but as with all things in poker, it depends.
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04-03-2014 , 11:34 PM
Grunch: this strikes me as a blind cbet. You obviously aren't in a good spot if he c/r which is his MO. The best way to combat a check raiser is to check back when it suits you and reraise when you've got it. You put yourself in an impossible spot with that flop bet. Fold and punch yourself for creating such a dead end spot.
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04-04-2014 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by de4df1sh
How do you guys handle guys who check raise at a high frequency? .
By cbetting less and calling his raises wider.
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04-04-2014 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
I don't cbet Ace high flops with KK. If you think you must, decide how you would play this with AK and do so.
This, nothing you beat folds, and things you do beat will fold. Play this hand like a bluff catcher at this point, meaning to get to showdown as cheaply as possible.
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04-04-2014 , 02:29 PM
These are the types of situations I am trying to improve on as a player. I'd imagine knowing when to check behind on flops like this would have a very nice effect on your WR.
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